01-17-2016, 01:14 AM
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I think this is a good deal for the Chargers...much better stadium, (eventually), and much better revenue.
And much better location
01-17-2016, 01:24 AM
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And much better location
I love San Diego, but you said it. And I won't deny it.
01-17-2016, 01:36 AM
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The Rams will likely be joined by the Chargers and both will take possession of the new stadium in Inglewood. And we can probably credit the Clippers for this, as they have proven to be the model of an imported team that has become the headliner . Who knows, the Chargers could do the same.
The Clippers will never be the headliners. Even now, the Lakers pull in better ratings despite the fact that they're one of the worst teams in the NBA and the Clippers are one of the best. Yes, the Lakers have the star power of an aging Kobe Bryant, but the Clippers have two marketable stars of their own, and they're in their primes.
It's going to take a lot more than four pretty good seasons to remove the stench of Donald Sterling and take over LA.
I'd go with the Los Angeles Raiders as the model imported team--they definitely felt like the "A team" when the two teams left in 1995. The Rams alienated a lot of fans by moving to OC, opening the door for the Raiders (with their rich history) to take over LA County. The Chargers face a much tougher road if they want to win over LA.
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You sure about this?
Chargers to begin negotiating deal with Rams on Monday - The Orange County Register
I would be shocked if the Chargers didn't begin the 2016 season representing Los Angeles.
01-17-2016, 08:24 AM
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What do you mean what would be the motivation? Fandom doesn't just go away. When I was in New York, I saw plenty of Brooklyn Dodgers merch.
Why the hell would you root for a team that moves to STL?
I grew up in NY and I've never seen Brooklyn Dodgers gear being worn. Not even once in my life actually.
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01-17-2016, 08:41 AM
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It's safe to say that a large number of Brooklyn Dodgers fans remained loyal despite the move--can't imagine many of them had the stomach to root for the hated Yankees.
The ones who did make the switch would probably get the bandwagon label from these super hardcore passionate EC transplants
I'm not an east coast transplant. All I'm here to figure out is how all of a sudden people change up their loyalties because a team that told them to f off is back in town. It doesn't make any sense. 20 years is a long time. There are 2 generations who didn't grow up with the Rams. Becoming a diehard fan doesn't happen overnight but I'm 100% sure Rams fans will be talking all kinds of garbage on day 1.
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Incidentally, all those Brooklyn Nets fans who show up to the games must be from the flaky West Coast--super hardcore, passionate EC fans only root for teams their great grandpappies grew up with.
The Nets still serve the metropolitan area that NJ Nets fans live in.
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01-17-2016, 10:30 AM
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Why the hell would you root for a team that moves to STL?
Who said anything about rooting for the St. Louis Rams? I've said some Angelenos still admire the LOS ANGELES Rams. I said nothing about St. Louis. I've seen people in LOS ANGELES Rams gear and colors, even though they left long ago. They're back now and the fans are celebrating. If the Dodgers or the Lakers were to relocate, I wouldn't root for their new location, but I would still walk around in LOS ANGELES Dodgers and LOS ANGELES Lakers gear because I would still admire that time in which they were in L.A. I love both teams, and the way I feel towards them wouldn't just disintegrate. Angelenos would still walk around in blue and white and purple and gold if either teams were to relocate.
Not sure why I'm going back and forth with you. I've seen posts of dislike towards Los Angeles coming from you in the General U.S. forum. Not sure why you have this odd obsession with Los Angeles. Most recently you made an ignorant comment about Angeleno sports fans, and it's obvious you sought out this thread just to troll and start mess, so I'm done talking to you. Good day.
01-17-2016, 11:25 AM
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I would be shocked if the Chargers didn't begin the 2016 season representing Los Angeles.
The Raiders prefer to move more than the Chargers do right now.
01-17-2016, 12:26 PM
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Who said anything about rooting for the St. Louis Rams? I've said some Angelenos still admire the LOS ANGELES Rams. I said nothing about St. Louis. I've seen people in LOS ANGELES Rams gear and colors, even though they left long ago. They're back now and the fans are celebrating. If the Dodgers or the Lakers were to relocate, I wouldn't root for their new location, but I would still walk around in LOS ANGELES Dodgers and LOS ANGELES Lakers gear because I would still admire that time in which they were in L.A. I love both teams, and the way I feel towards them wouldn't just disintegrate. Angelenos would still walk around in blue and white and purple and gold if either teams were to relocate.
Yes I've bashed LA. But seeing as NY is kind of a cesspool I've bashed NY enough to make it a point that I'm not too much of a homer.
Now I would admire the players who played for my team, not the team itself. But that's not the question. I'm trying to figure out what LA fans did with themselves for the last 21 years. Who did the younger generation root for, and how can they suddenly switch their favorite team to the Rams? It mainly appears to be more a form of civic pride rather than diehard fanhood taking shape simply because I can't grasp how a diehard fan can all of a sudden become an LA Rams fan. A diehard fan would've had to have a team before this move. However a diehard fan is locked in and can't suddenly change over from the Raiders or Chargers to the Rams.
For instance if I was from DC I would still be an Orioles fan. Not a Nationals fan.
Fox Unable to Find Much of a Downside to Rams' Departure - latimes
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01-17-2016, 01:16 PM
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I'm not an east coast transplant. All I'm here to figure out is how all of a sudden people change up their loyalties because a team that told them to f off is back in town. It doesn't make any sense. 20 years is a long time. There are 2 generations who didn't grow up with the Rams. Becoming a diehard fan doesn't happen overnight but I'm 100% sure Rams fans will be talking all kinds of garbage on day 1.
If the Dodgers returned to Brooklyn tomorrow, in a shiny new baseball stadium where Ebbets Field once stood, they'd sell out every single game. Dodgers merch would flood stores, and it would be the biggest sports story in New Yawk in decades. Yes, despite the fact that the Dodgers told BK to go f itself all those years ago. Don't even kid yourself thinking none of this would happen.
Are we done pretending EC fans are super passionate and hardcore? Because your questions are getting old.
Your rationalization for the Nets is laughable--NY and NJ can't stand each other, their hatred runs deeper than LA/OC. This idea that they're a happily united MSA is a city-data myth. I'm sure many Nets fans would have preferred the team relocate anywhere but NYC. And how many Nets fans existed in Brooklyn before the move anyway? Not very many. Safe to say most of them are
new fans, which teams generally attract in droves when they relocate.
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01-17-2016, 01:26 PM
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If the Dodgers returned to Brooklyn tomorrow, in a shiny new baseball stadium where Ebbets Field once stood, they'd sell out every single game. Dodgers merch would flood stores, and it would be the biggest sports story in New Yawk in decades. Yes, despite the fact that the Dodgers told BK to go f itself all those years ago. Don't even kid yourself that none of those would happen. new fans, which teams generally attract in droves when they relocate.
If the Dodgers moved to Brooklyn, no diehard Yankee or Met fan would become a Dodger fan. Period. NY already has 2 MLB teams. A third would run almost entirely off its brand name selling "Brooklyn" clothes to swag boys. This is what LA Rams fans are going to be like.
The NY/NJ rivalry is nonexistent in the real world. It doesn't hold fanhood or families back or you wouldn't see NY license plates all over the Meadowlands every Sunday.
The Nets are a weak analogy. The Nets moved within an MSA. So did the Jets and Giants who moved from NYC to Jersey.
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People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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