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[erin_elise_]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Patronize? Discussion? Neither has happened. There's been no contribution of any substance whatsoever from you that would constitute a "discussion". You spewed out some unsubstantiated AM radio accusations. When pressed for any detail to back it up you tossed in another vague generalization, indicating that you haven't the slightest idea what you are parroting. Just jungle chatter in the trees.

Take you on? lol. No one needs to take you on. You've quite exposed yourself as ignorant of the issues.

Meanwhile, yes, Mr. Sanders is heading on to a contested DNC Convention in a curiously strong position.

"curiously strong position"?? unless he takes the super delegates by hostage or something Lolol. Do you really think that the democratic big wigs want to partake in the "democratic socialism" that Bernie is spewing?? Not really good for their bottom line tbh.

But hey the DNC is corrupt anyway....

Again, I have engaged in you in a valid discussion about risks in going forward with sanders' agenda and you reply by saying my points have been "unsubstatied". how is saying that the government will massively spend money on his platform unsubstatied? He even says it himself. His platform involves nothing but government spending.

And we are already trillions in debt.

And good luck with the free college iniative as the states have to come up with 50% of the costs....I guess we can check California off the list for writing checks for that venture. Lol

[MordinSolus]

Originally Posted by erin_elise_

"curiously strong position"?? unless he takes the super delegates by hostage or something Lolol. Do you really think that the democratic big wigs want to partake in the "democratic socialism" that Bernie is spewing?? Not really good for their bottom line tbh.

Bernie is the only remaining candidate whose numbers are positive. Hillary and Trump have the highest unfavorable rates in presidential polling history. And Hillary is losing ground to Trump in head to head polling, with her numbers slipping and Trump's increasing. He even beats her in 2 recent polls, whereas Bernie trounces Trump in the same polls.

But hey the DNC is corrupt anyway....

Yes it is. And?

Again, I have engaged in you in a valid discussion about risks in going forward with sanders' agenda

No you haven't. Your entire position was based on a random, unknown caller to an AM radio talkshow.

and you reply by saying my points have been "unsubstatied".

No one said that to you, because that isn't a word.

how is saying that the government will massively spend money on his platform unsubstatied? He even says it himself. His platform involves nothing but government spending.

There's that made up word again. And if you weren't completely ignorant of the matters at hand you would know that Bernie plans to make substantive cuts to spending while also increasing taxes on the highest earners, corporations and hedge funds. Even some Wall St fatcats, including the real Gordon Gecko(the man the character was based on), have said that Bernie is the best candidate to increase economic growth.

And we are already trillions in debt.

And what, Trump will erase that debt in 4 years? The only way to start chipping away at that debt is to get the entire country economically viable again. The longer the wealth goes straight to the top the less likely we are to ever reduce the debt. Since 2008 more than 90% of new income has gone to the top 1%, and over 90% of that has gone to the top 0.2%. That's a deeply, deeply flawed system that harms America and Bernie is the only candidate who wants to do something about it.

And good luck with the free college iniative as the states have to come up with 50% of the costs....I guess we can check California off the list for writing checks for that venture. Lol

This doesn't even mean anything.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by erin_elise_

"curiously strong position"?? unless he takes the super delegates by hostage or something Lolol. Do you really think that the democratic big wigs want to partake in the "democratic socialism" that Bernie is spewing?? Not really good for their bottom line tbh.

But hey the DNC is corrupt anyway....

Again, I have engaged in you in a valid discussion about risks in going forward with sanders' agenda and you reply by saying my points have been "unsubstatied". how is saying that the government will massively spend money on his platform unsubstatied? He even says it himself. His platform involves nothing but government spending.

And we are already trillions in debt.

And good luck with the free college iniative as the states have to come up with 50% of the costs....I guess we can check California off the list for writing checks for that venture. Lol

Hi erin - yes, your points are unsubstantiated. And yes, Sanders is in a curiously strong position.

First, Sanders's position is that he can continue to attack Clinton but she can't afford to return fire. She can't win the general against Trump if she alienates and loses Sanders supporters. His supporters will mostly refuse to vote for her if she alienates them. On the other hand virtually all Clinton supporters would vote for Bernie if he were the nominee.

Sanders also polls very much better against Trump than Clinton - and this while she has liabilities and unknowns hanging over her head. Bernie is the same he's been for 50 years. No scandals or skeletons.

While it is true that the DNC is behind Clinton, if Sanders denies her the guaranteed pledged delegates, as appears certain, and this goes to Super delegates, the Democratic party knows they will lose a huge base if the Supers vote in contradiction to their states' popular voters. And the Supers have to wrestle with Clinton's brutally low popularity, looming risks of legal actions against her, as well as going against the wills of their respective electorates.

He can make her life hell.
She can't touch him.

It's a curiously strong position the DNC is going to have to find a way to wrangle. They need Bernie's support more than he needs them at this point. Whether this translates to him winning the nomination or not, there will be huge concessions made to platform.

Now then, massive spending and debt.

First, the spending is offset by increasing revenue from sources that have been dodging their duty to pay fairly for the bonanza earnings they have been raking in at the expense of the middle class. The spending isn't coming out of the pockets of the struggling middle class. If corporations paid the same taxes they did during Reagan's administrations, for example, the free tuitions for public colleges would be fully financed alone, plus enough left over for a variety of additional public education and child care programs to be funded.

As to being trillions in debt, I guess you are unaware that debt is the ONLY engine for creating new money under the fractional reserve banking system we have suscribed to as a nation. Our debt is not ever meant to be repaid. It would ruin our economy if that were to somehow happen. If you don't know how fractional reserve banking works, look it up and learn.

Anyway, the burden of debt is entirely relative to productivity. Having trillions in debt is not a problem as long as productivity supports the ability to create profit while paying debt service.

Now, about your anonymous Venezuelan AM radio talk show caller's credentials and the similarities between Bernie and Hugo!

[erin_elise_]

I have given you simmilarities and you choose to reject them.

Both of you guys just want to summarily reject my points, which is your perogative.

But it still doesn't change my view on how I could never support Bernie sanders.

[MordinSolus]

Originally Posted by erin_elise_

I have given you simmilarities and you choose to reject them.

Both of you guys just want to summarily reject my points, which is your perogative.

But it still doesn't change my view on how I could never support Bernie sanders.

You gave no substantive similarities. Even now, after several days you could have used to spend a bit of time doing a little research, you know nothing about Sanders or Chavez. You haven't made a single point because your argument has no merit.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Whips, chains, and great danes types?

More like the "everybody has one" type.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by MordinSolus

You gave no substantive similarities. Even now, after several days you could have used to spend a bit of time doing a little research, you know nothing about Sanders or Chavez. You haven't made a single point because your argument has no merit.

When soldiers are reduced to stealing goats in Venezuala, there is nothing to say.
How bad is it in Venezuela? Soldiers are stealing goats

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-failed-state/

Time and time again, we hear from supporters of communism that it works, but only when applied 'correctly'.

[MordinSolus]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

When soldiers are reduced to stealing goats in Venezuala, there is nothing to say.
How bad is it in Venezuela? Soldiers are stealing goats

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-failed-state/

Time and time again, we hear from supporters of communism that it works, but only when applied 'correctly'.

Well maybe that would be relevant if we were discussing communism. But we're not. Because communism and socialism are 2 different things.

And just FYI, here in 'Murica, home of capitalism, we have streets crowded with homeless veterans.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by erin_elise_

I have given you simmilarities and you choose to reject them.

Both of you guys just want to summarily reject my points, which is your perogative.

But it still doesn't change my view on how I could never support Bernie sanders.

No you didn't give substantive similarities. You made a vague generalization: they both want to spend money on things. Which, of course, all politicians do to benefit their home electorates. Like military spending at absurd levels, to support Kellogg, Brown & Root, / Haliburton for example.

I didn't summarily reject your points. I quite specifically challenged them. For which you obviously have no substance in rebuttal.

And I couldn't care less about changing you over to be a Bernie supporter. I simply enjoy deflating illogical nonsense.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by MordinSolus

Well maybe that would be relevant if we were discussing communism. But we're not. Because communism and socialism are 2 different things.

And just FYI, here in 'Murica, home of capitalism, we have streets crowded with homeless veterans.

Not to mention active duty servicemen and women receiving welfare to make ends meet.