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Old 05-01-2016, 08:18 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood, CA
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usually that's how it goes, OP.

you need to learn how to handle yourself.

im gonna be paying off my car at the end of next year and i dont plan on getting a new one; specially now that I own a condo.

will have the car paid off so the only thing i'll have on my books is my mortgage. gonna keep my car until it offs apart and save hundreds per month for years to come.

i also live in a small place so it forces me to live a minimalist lifestyle (which I already was). feels great knowing I dont need anything else in my life.
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Old 05-01-2016, 08:32 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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usually that's how it goes, OP.
you need to learn how to handle yourself.
im gonna be paying off my car at the end of next year and i dont plan on getting a new one; specially now that I own a condo.
will have the car paid off so the only thing i'll have on my books is my mortgage. gonna keep my car until it offs apart and save hundreds per month for years to come.
i also live in a small place so it forces me to live a minimalist lifestyle (which I already was). feels great knowing I dont need anything else in my life.
The OP is asking about being wealthy, not imaginary-wealthy.
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Old 05-02-2016, 09:25 AM
 
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By rich/wealthy i mean working for yourself but also mostly with others on a large variety of business projects over your career. Being able to take a risk when opportunities come up, work hard if need be, but for the most part work smart and make yourself 'rich' by making your life easier.

The reason I bring up the euro-attitude thing is that despite working independently, people can for some reason feel affronted by any success you might have. Even though it doesn't affect their lives in any way, they feel resentful/angry and as if you're challenging them. It's strange.

The reason i'm asking about the US is that, even though nowadays you can pretty much create opportunities for yourself almost anywhere, having to be apologetic about your day to day life and any future plans you might have would just be an unnecessary stress to deal with. And it might be a bit isolating if there's that kind of friction in your life.

So I guess if you have plans to work in the ways that i'm talking about, America if probably the no.1 choice. Because career aside, I'd like to enjoy my life(!), with a family etc, without any weird social conflicts to deal with. Besides that, the more people there are in your circle who think the way you do, the more vocal and unrestricted you can be.. and I think that'd lead to a more fulfilling life.

I'm just at an age where I kind of have to think about these things now (30s). Thanks for the replies
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Old 05-02-2016, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Many people not just in Europe have an uneasy relationship with money. Money is a tool that can be used for good or bad.
Just like a sharp knife can be used by a talented chef to create a delicious meal, a knife can also be used to kill someone.
I think even in the U.S people focus more on the negative aspects of money. The tangible aspects of money are the sexy things.
The mansions, the exotic cars, the clothes, etc.

Some people see that and think that's all money/wealth are about.

Maybe they have a ferrari , but they also funded scholarships for 100s of kids, or donated money to cure diseases.

It sounds like you have already come to your conclusion though that if you are surrounding yourself with people that have a similar mindset then things will be ok.

If you are convinced something is impossible. Then most likely it will be impossible.

"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right. - Henry Ford"

If one has the attitude that they will always be poor or they will have to work until they die or some other belief , they won't make any efforts to do anything to change their 'fate'.
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Old 05-02-2016, 10:05 AM
 
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By rich/wealthy i mean working for yourself but also mostly with others on a large variety of business projects over your career. Being able to take a risk when opportunities come up, work hard if need be, but for the most part work smart and make yourself 'rich' by making your life easier.

The reason I bring up the euro-attitude thing is that despite working independently, people can for some reason feel affronted by any success you might have. Even though it doesn't affect their lives in any way, they feel resentful/angry and as if you're challenging them. It's strange.
Where in Europe are you talking about? I find Europeans to be just as enterprising as Americans if not more (if we are going to generalize), but I'm talking about Western Europe. What you're describing sounds very Eastern-European, so maybe that's where the disconnect is.
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The reason i'm asking about the US is that, even though nowadays you can pretty much create opportunities for yourself almost anywhere, having to be apologetic about your day to day life and any future plans you might have would just be an unnecessary stress to deal with. And it might be a bit isolating if there's that kind of friction in your life.
Honestly, I really don't think most people in L.A. would give two thoughts about your success, EVEN if you drive a gold-plated Bentley. At most, in that scenario, they may look at you and think you're dumb and lack taste but that's about as much as they will care. Nobody is going to key it.
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Old 05-02-2016, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Where in Europe are you talking about? I find Europeans to be just as enterprising as Americans if not more (if we are going to generalize), but I'm talking about Western Europe. What you're describing sounds very Eastern-European, so maybe that's where the disconnect is.Honestly, I really don't think most people in L.A. would give two thoughts about your success, EVEN if you drive a gold-plated Bentley. At most, in that scenario, they may look at you and think you're dumb and lack taste but that's about as much as they will care. Nobody is going to key it.
Can you guarantee that?
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Old 05-02-2016, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Idaho
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By rich/wealthy i mean working for yourself but also mostly with others on a large variety of business projects over your career. Being able to take a risk when opportunities come up, work hard if need be, but for the most part work smart and make yourself 'rich' by making your life easier.
Double Six, what you describe above is what this country is all about. Individual initiative is one of the things that made this country the 'land of opportunity'. With the rare exception, nobody will care how rich you are. More often than not, they will admire you for what you've accomplished.
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:11 PM
 
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Where in Europe are you talking about? I find Europeans to be just as enterprising as Americans if not more (if we are going to generalize), but I'm talking about Western Europe. What you're describing sounds very Eastern-European, so maybe that's where the disconnect is.Honestly, I really don't think most people in L.A. would give two thoughts about your success, EVEN if you drive a gold-plated Bentley. At most, in that scenario, they may look at you and think you're dumb and lack taste but that's about as much as they will care. Nobody is going to key it.

Maybe I'm exaggerating but take a look at this - http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/bu...ssed.html?_r=0

France is one of the leaders of western Europe, and one with a very high quality of life. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of 'old' Europe is the same. It's not even a question of tax, because those kind of rates don't actually bring anything in. It's completely about attitude and animosity towards earned prosperity.

The UK is fairly ambivalent but it's quality of life is so poor compared to its european neighbours. So there's this paradox in Europe between doing well and living poorly, or moving to the continent and living well but not too well or people will hate you.

(By the way I don't believe 'success' is completely determined by money. An academic for instance can have a successful career littered with innovation, new ideas and other successes that might lead to a higher status, travel, speaking opportunities etc. And a businessman may achieve the similar parallel success through innovation/hard work and the money it generates, that itself may lead to further opportunity, travel etc. Being able to create momentum in whatever you've chosen to do is the best indicator I guess)

Maybe america has a better balance, where it seems you can control your own quality of life.

The reason i was asking about LA/California specifically is that if you're gonna start somewhere, it might as well in a place with good weather!
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:15 PM
 
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Can you guarantee that?
Oh, FFS, seriously?
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Old 05-02-2016, 12:18 PM
 
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Maybe I'm exaggerating but take a look at this - http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/bu...ssed.html?_r=0
This isn't resentment so much as government profiteering. Socialism at its finest.
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The UK is fairly ambivalent but it's quality of life is so poor compared to its european neighbours. So there's this paradox in Europe between doing well and living poorly, or moving to the continent and living well but not too well or people will hate you.
The U.K. is #16 on the world quality of life scale. I'd say it's doing OK. Not as well as Scandinavia or Germany but better than, surprise, France. The U.S. is 10th, for reference.
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(By the way I don't believe 'success' is completely determined by money. An academic for instance can have a successful career littered with innovation, new ideas and other successes that might lead to a higher status, travel, speaking opportunities etc. And a businessman may achieve the similar parallel success through innovation/hard work and the money it generates, that itself may lead to further opportunity, travel etc. Being able to create momentum in whatever you've chosen to do is the best indicator I guess)
Education, at least, again, in my experience, is very highly valued in Western Europe. Much more so than in the U.S., actually.
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The reason i was asking about LA/California specifically is that if you're gonna start somewhere, it might as well in a place with good weather!
And a higher tolerance for for'nrs!
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