Boundaries and communities of the San Gabriel Valley (Los Angeles, Glendale: real estate, high school)

[55182]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Parts of Pasadena lie in Los Angeles County. Pasadena Profile - Mapping L.A. - Los Angeles Times

No one said anything about a "valley being determined by a census."


Feel free to point those "political lines" out.

LOL, ALL of Pasadena lies in LA county, not just parts. Based on the map link I provided Pasadena is part of the SGV as is La Canada.



You made reference to the area in question was determined by the census.


City, county, state and country boundaries are all political boundary lines (poli sci 101). They divide land areas into a political division, example; a constituent of one city is not allowed to vote in another election due to the boundary. These boundaries predated the census if the city in question was formed prior to the first census in 1790. LA was founded in 1781 so predates the first census. So this means the census does no form political based lines but makes use of politically defined areas for the purpose of identifying a location . Now, a valley is not part of a political division, it is geographically based division. The area in question does contain political defined areas (cities) but the cities do not define the boundaries of a valley, hills/mts do. So the easy way to separate the two types is, a political division is man made and a geographical division is nature made.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by 55182

LOL, ALL of Pasadena lies in LA county, not just parts. Based on the map link I provided Pasadena is part of the SGV as is La Canada.

You can provide whatever map you wish. There are varying definitions of what cities and unincorporated communities are within the San Gabriel Valley (as well as the San Fernando Valley and the Inland Empire, to name a few). You have obviously seen the other links posted here.

Originally Posted by 55182

You made reference to the area in question was determined by the census.

Census Bureau data, in addition to other sources.

Originally Posted by 55182

City, county, state and country boundaries are all political boundary lines (poli sci 101). They divide land areas into a political division..... it is geographically based division. The area in question does contain political defined areas (cities) but the cities do not define the boundaries of a valley, hills/mts do.

Most of us understand the definition of a valley. It's obvious that there are cities and/or unincorporated communities that have contain no "valley" by its true definition, yet are included in an area referred to as "The San Gabriel Valley."

The term "San Gabriel Valley" was derived in the late 1700s from the San Gabriel River, which was named for the Mission San Gabriel Arcángel.

[55182]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Most of us understand the definition of a valley. It's obvious that there are cities and/or unincorporated communities that have contain no "valley" by its true definition, yet are included in an area referred to as "The San Gabriel Valley."

But you didn't understand what a valley is as you excluded Pasadena and La Canada, which are within the geographical boarders that make up the valley which is named San Gabriel Valley. And you insisted previously that the census defined political based boarders which the census has nothing to do with defining. This quote is only part of the answer to your asking for political lines to be shown to you, so I did.



This is fun................

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by 55182

But you didn't understand what a valley is as you excluded Pasadena and La Canada, which are within the geographical boarders that make up the valley which is named San Gabriel Valley.

Not according to previous links; one to a map of the San Gabriel Valley. Again, who's comparing the definition of a "valley" to what's included in the "San Gabriel Valley"? Since your point seems to be to argue this incessantly, find someone else with whom to do it.

Originally Posted by 55182

And you insisted previously that the census defined political based boarders which the census has nothing to do with defining.

I believe that was your quote (below); not mine.

Originally Posted by 55182

The census uses political division lines, which is what a county is, for the purpose of breaking data down to smaller usable pieces.

Originally Posted by 55182

This is fun................

Interesting comment.

[55182]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

I believe that was your quote (below)

Here is your statement that started the census responses and the subsequent quote your referring to.

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Hills, valleys, freeways, zip codes, area codes, culture, etc, do not separate cities within a geographic region. They are determined by U.S. Census Bureau data.

La Canada is not part of the San Gabriel Valley; it's part of Los Angeles County.

San Gabriel Valley - Mapping L.A. - Los Angeles Times

My statements, after this post from you, were to substantiate the that the post is incorrect.

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Hills, valleys, freeways, zip codes, area codes, culture, etc, do not separate cities within a geographic region. They are determined by U.S. Census Bureau data.

La Canada is not part of the San Gabriel Valley; it's part of Los Angeles County.

San Gabriel Valley - Mapping L.A. - Los Angeles Times

Isn't most if not all of the SGV located within Los Angeles County?

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by silverkris

Isn't most if not all of the SGV located within Los Angeles County?

Apparently so. There are multiple regions within Los Angeles County: San Gabriel Valley, Antelope Valley, San Fernando Valley, South Bay, Westside, Verdugos, etc.

[sean1the1]

Originally Posted by 55182

LOL, ALL of Pasadena lies in LA county, not just parts. Based on the map link I provided Pasadena is part of the SGV as is La Canada.



You made reference to the area in question was determined by the census.


City, county, state and country boundaries are all political boundary lines (poli sci 101). They divide land areas into a political division, example; a constituent of one city is not allowed to vote in another election due to the boundary. These boundaries predated the census if the city in question was formed prior to the first census in 1790. LA was founded in 1781 so predates the first census. So this means the census does no form political based lines but makes use of politically defined areas for the purpose of identifying a location . Now, a valley is not part of a political division, it is geographically based division. The area in question does contain political defined areas (cities) but the cities do not define the boundaries of a valley, hills/mts do. So the easy way to separate the two types is, a political division is man made and a geographical division is nature made.

La Canada is actually located within the Crescenta Valley, a small, but separate valley winch runs from Pasadena to the SFV.

[55182]

Originally Posted by silverkris

Isn't most if not all of the SGV located within Los Angeles County?

Yes it is, but the question was not what cities are in LA county. The question was about cities within San Gabriel Valley.

[55182]

Originally Posted by sean1the1

La Canada is actually located within the Crescenta Valley, a small, but separate valley winch runs from Pasadena to the SFV.

Heres a quote from Wikipedia:


La Cañada Flintridge is a city in Los Angeles County, California, with a population of 20,246 in 2010. It is located in the Crescenta Valley and far western end of the San Gabriel Valley, to the northwest of Pasadena. It is the home of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory of NASA.