Bowing to City Pressure, FAA Agrees to Close Santa Monica Airport (Los Angeles: cinema, earthquake)

[Patrolman]

Originally Posted by The Illusive Man

Dopey first world Exitus strikes again. That airport is for the rich. We need more homes in the LA area. Only the rich need an airport. Damn Exitus. You are something else.

I don't know if you are aware, but personal attacks on C-D are not permitted. You can share opposing views without getting personal.

I don't know where you get the idea that airports are for the rich. I had my airplane based at SM for years (until I moved it over to Van Nuys) and I'm far from being rich. That goes for the majority of people I know that have their planes based at SM. The airport generates a great deal of tax revenue for SM, more than a park will ever do.

The FAA and the city of SM have reached a mutual agreement to close the airport. I don't see what the controversy is all about. What I find puzzling is that people think building more housing in one of the priciest areas of the U.S. is going to reap more affordable housing.

[ketch89]

Originally Posted by Patrolman

What I find puzzling is that people think building more housing in one of the priciest areas of the U.S. is going to reap more affordable housing.

Supply and demand does apply to housing. If you build enough, prices will stabilize or fall. This is a fact.

https://medium.com/@Scott_Wiener/yes...90f#.cm6382emj

https://ggwash.org/view/40676/dc-add...rice-increases

http://la.curbed.com/2015/3/18/99795...s-construction

Why We Must Build - Shelterforce - National Housing Institute

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by The Illusive Man

Dopey first world Exitus strikes again. That airport is for the rich. We need more homes in the LA area. Only the rich need an airport. Damn Exitus. You are something else.

Do you ever write anything on this forum that's not predicated with your virulent hatred of "The Rich"? Perhaps you can tell us what "The Rich" are doing to you that's hurting you so very much that it ferments this mouth-frothing hatred you have of them.

p.s. SM Airport is not exclusively for "the rich" -- they don't check your wallet for an Amex Black at the main gate. On the contrary, everybody is welcome there.

p.p.s. Many people own an interest in a plane (e.g. you can buy a fifth of a $25K plane. If you check your calculator, professor, that equates to just $5K -- hardly a king's bounty exclusive to "The Rich").

[Patrolman]

Originally Posted by ketch89

Supply and demand does apply to housing. If you build enough, prices will stabilize or fall. This is a fact.

Can you cite examples as it applies to West Los Angeles/Santa Monica? Not the general area, but specific areas? Anyhow, the closure of the airport will not impact housing in the first place. It is designed to be a park.

[Cinema Cat]

Originally Posted by ketch89

Supply and demand does apply to housing. If you build enough, prices will stabilize or fall.

You believe in a free market? Great.

If left to the free market, the only houses built on the airport would be luxury townhouses and condos, and maybe a few mansions. And their prices would be astronomical -- because of supply and demand.

You see, the increasing demand for housing outstrips the supply of new housing.

The only way cheap houses would be built on airport land is if the city forced developers to include low-income housing. But that's not the free market. (Not that cheap housing advocates care.)

[Cinema Cat]

Originally Posted by Western Urbanite

Airports are a use that belong in Palmdale or the Inland Empire, not in the heart of Los Angeles.

1. Santa Monica is not "in the heart" of Los Angeles. It's on the edge.

2. Airports, like all transportation hubs, should be sprinkled throughout an area. That way, there's more likely to be an airport near you -- and thus a reduction in car traffic, as cars don't have to drive as far to get to an airport.

[ketch89]

Originally Posted by Cinema Cat

If left to the free market, the only houses built on the airport would be luxury townhouses and condos, and maybe a few mansions. And their prices would be astronomical -- because of supply and demand.

Which would be perfectly fine. Building new homes on the west side creates a ripple effect - people who would have bought a nearby older home or condo instead buy a shiny new one, and someone else can buy the older one with less competition. This ripple continues on and on all the way out to Santa Clarita and the Inland Empire, reducing prices in outlying areas and thus reducing the incentive for developers to build in the desert (where it makes no sense to build homes). When people live in a dense city, they drive less and use less water.

Originally Posted by Cinema Cat

You see, the increasing demand for housing outstrips the supply of new housing.

Only because of highly restrictive zoning that prevents building tall where the market demands it (the entire west side).

[The OC]

Originally Posted by Western Urbanite

Actually, when CAHSR brings Palmdale within a 15 minute ride of Burbank and a 20-30 minute ride to DTLA, that would be a great idea.

And when pigs fly...


So all of the millions of dollars in infrastructure metro and LAWA are putting into LAX RIGHT NOW should just be torn down. Brilliant.

[blam]

Originally Posted by Cinema Cat

1. Santa Monica is not "in the heart" of Los Angeles. It's on the edge.

2. Airports, like all transportation hubs, should be sprinkled throughout an area. That way, there's more likely to be an airport near you -- and thus a reduction in car traffic, as cars don't have to drive as far to get to an airport.

How bout instead of shutting down the Santa Monica airport we build a new small airport in El Segundo? That way we can reduce the car traffic and those poor bastards won't have to drive that far to get to LAX?

[Western Urbanite]

Originally Posted by The OC

And when pigs fly...


So all of the millions of dollars in infrastructure metro and LAWA are putting into LAX RIGHT NOW should just be torn down. Brilliant.

No of course not. But in 2040, that could be a terrific idea.