02-26-2017, 12:17 AM
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It appears these days minimum parking requirements are a hot topic in Los Angeles and elsewhere. There are some "greeny" groups that argue that LA requires too much parking for developments.
Though for those who live in automobile dependent LA I guess most of you have the experience of struggling to find parking everyday. You would also be surprised to learn that LA only requires one space for up to three bedrooms. Pretty unrealistic for a city where people are forced to drive as there are hardly any practical alternatives and have at least two cars per household.
I find that some parts of the city such as downtown there seem to be more parking spaces than their are people. As there are plenty of lots and garages both of buildings and commercially operated public parking facilities. But neighborhoods in the west its either tiny little parking lots, a very tight garage or assigned parking space, or streets that are packed to the gills and often requiring users to pay for a permit. People often have to circle for parking that won't get them a ticket which adds to traffic congestion and pollution.
What do you think the city of LA should do in the future in terms of parking, should they eliminate parking requirements, or should they expand it and require residents to have proof of parking space to bring cars in. Should we have a different set of rules for neighborhoods like downtown where there are already alot of parking spaces per capita within pretty much all the city blocks and also plenty of public transit options? I.e approving a development without parking if there is already a certain number of parking spaces within a certain distance of the development that is open for the use of the building's occupants and visitors?
What do you think?
02-26-2017, 07:29 AM
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They should be eased. Los Angeles has more transit options than most cities, and expanding them. With other options like car sharing, there is less need to own cars.
02-26-2017, 06:06 PM
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In certain areas that are well served by transit, like Hollywood proper, Koreatown, Westlake, Downtown, etc., they should be eliminated. Developers will still provide parking, unless they want a very difficult time renting/selling their units, but they won't be dictated by regulations. Parking spaces cost almost as much as the units do, and most of that cost is passed onto the renter/buyer.
More parking also encourages more trips by be taken by car and places like these that are well served by transit can get away with developing properties with a lower ratio of spaces to units.
02-27-2017, 08:36 AM
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Too little on the edge of the county. Too much in the center of town. Different strategies for different densities.
02-27-2017, 09:25 AM
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The reality is renters gladly pay for these parking spots so developers keep building them, regardless of regulation. It's a capitalistic solution to a problem and that's the way it should be. In order for renters to say no to parking, these renters must have viable alternatives. Sure there are select neighborhoods well served by transit and parking spaces are an additional fee (I live in one), however to assume such for the remainder of the city is a naive generalization that needs to be killed. With fire. Lots of it.
In a perfect world, we'd all have my cushy situation. I live in a dense, transit-friendly neighborhood. Work off of a nearby transit line. My car is only used for long trips. But that is simply unattainable for the majority of us. People live where they can afford to, and work where they can get the best job.
So I'm against lifting these restrictions, because the city/county are so far out from a transit system that would provide these renters/buyers a viable alternative. On top of it, you've got NIMBYs pushing Measure S, aiming to halt the very multi-use developments that attract transit, bring additional tax base which can be used to support this infrastructure, and ease traffic for everyone.
Can't wait to see how C-D's NIMBYs respond.
By the way OP, the
city of LA does require more than 1 parking space for a three bedroom unit . You may be thinking of the "3 habitable rooms" rule which includes the living room, etc.
02-27-2017, 03:04 PM
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In certain areas that are well served by transit, like Hollywood proper, Koreatown, Westlake, Downtown, etc., they should be eliminated. Developers will still provide parking, unless they want a very difficult time renting/selling their units, but they won't be dictated by regulations. Parking spaces cost almost as much as the units do, and most of that cost is passed onto the renter/buyer.
More parking also encourages more trips by be taken by car and places like these that are well served by transit can get away with developing properties with a lower ratio of spaces to units.
True I too have a mix bag of feelings on the parking requirements.
Parking does cost a lot of money which a major expense for public and private firms to deal with.
But parking congestion increases traffic, pollution, noise, and can even be dangerous as it delays emergency response.
While parking does somewhat encourages driving which is counter initiative if we build more to cope with demand. Though in neighborhoods without transit other than hours of bus rides they will be driving anyways regardless of the difficult parking situation. No one I know would trade difficult parking for hours of bus rides.
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While I may have misread LA's parking requirements and thought it means three bedrooms I still find LA city's parking requirements are pretty minimal compared to other cities and LA county.
Also the parking requirements for some reason seem to apply to apartments near Universities as they often have up to 3 habitable rooms but only allow one parking space per unit. So the streets surrounding are always congested with parking with or without permit requirements.
Though I bet developers would build parking in car loving LA regardless whether required or not.
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Too little on the edge of the county. Too much in the center of town. Different strategies for different densities.
Though I notice in LA is that some neighborhoods like downtown has more parking than people which are open to all for a fee more than enough for residents and visitors alike. but other neighborhoods especially on the westside are severely parking congested because there are very little choices but to drive and there are no garages or lots that one can store their car off their property. The neighborhoods within a mile radius of Sawtelle bl, Sepulvada blvd, are a great example where even plazas and restaurants have very little parking lots and their customer parking spills into the neighborhoods and cause severe traffic girdlock.
Just a fact many multi unit housing even though they do have parking they are not a given for all residents. i.e some may charge a fortune for the covered one leading to parking congestion near the building as many residents decide to park on the streets surrounding it while many onsite parking spaces remains empty. There are also very little if any incidental extra parking spaces for visitors or temporary residents as well some of them do get converted to paid resident parking after the development opens. The increased number of Airbnbs also severely cause neighborhood parking congestion.
Therefore I believe for those neighborhoods such as downtown with plenty of parking surrounding it and nearby mass transit access should approve developments by factoring the number of parking spaces surrounding the development available for building occupants including visitors, (commercial/public parking spaces that charge a fee for daily/monthly parking fits the definition, while shopping center spaces reserved for customers are not) rather than requiring minimum parking on the property itself.
Though for other neighborhoods that do not have ready access to nearby parking and transit there should either be at least two spaces per residence either onsite or within a certain distance of a public parking facilities that can offer the required number of parking. Or the city should factor in parking for such a development. Cities should also require that residents and non residents staying longer than fifteen days a month have proof of a parking space should they keep a car in the city this is already done in some cities. And cities should work with developers and property owners to fund centralized parking facilities and rapid transit projects in which their tenants, employees, and would use along with public toilets in high density areas of the city. Today we can take added advantage of new technologies such as Automated parking facilities which costs much less to build than traditional parking structures and self cleaning toilets.
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02-27-2017, 03:19 PM
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Get rid of only-for-neighborhood-residents permit parking. Those streets are public thoroughfares, so everyone should be able to have the chance to park there.
03-11-2017, 05:19 PM
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Get rid of only-for-neighborhood-residents permit parking. Those streets are public thoroughfares, so everyone should be able to have the chance to park there.
I heard there are lots of flaws with the permit parking system for people to get parking permits particularly guest parking permits. Many residents just could not or find the process to arduous which denies them and their guests from the parking spaces they are entitled to.
We should have a system that allows paid guest parking in permit zones for 5 days a month per registered vehicle without needing to provide proof of residency and have automated kiosks in blocks with permit parking. Though having said that we should overhaul minimum parking by the block rather than unit and require resident vehicles have proof of parking space and that its used for that purpose. There is nothing more annoying than cars that should be parked in a designated space but taking up curb room because the space is made unavailable for one reason or the other either due to being blocked by storage, inaccessibility, or due to issues with the HOA/apartment management.
03-11-2017, 11:39 PM
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I don't imagine that apartments or condo buildings without parking would be easily to rent or sell especially if they are in neighborhoods where parking is very difficult .
We aren't yet at the point where it's common for people to rely on public transit .
Yes people do but they usually don't live in brand new condos or apartments.
03-12-2017, 10:29 AM
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There should be parking garages built in areas with over crowded street parking. A lot of cities in the NE have this. Won't hurt someone to walk a few blocks to a ten story parking garage with a couple of ground floors of retail. Make it automated too.Then developers don't have to provide much parking (or any).
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People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)