The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (San Francisco: day care, tech job, babysitting)

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Whoooooooo.

Sporty is in rare form today. I think I'm taking the day off.

I’m going to give credit where it’s due: Sporty is good.

[rodentraiser]

Originally Posted by jm1982

A lot of the problem is the homeless don’t want to go to the shelters because they know there are rules .
This often isn’t spoken about in the media . There are social workers that go out to the homeless on the street and refuse services .

And there's a good reason for that. Myself, I wouldn't go into a shelter unless I absolutely had to. You can get beaten up in a shelter, your stuff may be stolen, and you run the risk of getting bed bugs and TB. There are people who hang out in front of shelters in the morning, knowing those people are being let out for the day, just to trail them and rob them.

Originally Posted by Juventas

Really why won't anyone do something about this homeless problem in LA? I see it's getting worse especially on skid row. Is it really nothing that can be done? Can't they build homeless shelters?

Aaaand...here's your response:


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/or...olt/ar-AAvfPR8

"SANTA ANA, Calif.—Faced with a growing homeless population and a federal judge’s order to find shelter for hundreds of people living on the streets, Orange County lawmakers recently devised a plan: Open as many as three temporary shelters across this coastal county.

It didn’t last a week."

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by jm1982

A lot of the problem is the homeless don’t want to go to the shelters because they know there are rules . This often isn’t spoken about in the media . There are social workers that go out to the homeless on the street and refuse services .

If a homeless person has a pet they can't take it into a shelter, if they have more than a certain amount of personal belongings they can't stay in the shelter. If they don't get in line early enough they will not get a bed in the shelter. The elderly and disabled are frequently victimized by other shelter residents. People who stay in shelters are likely to get scabies, ringworm, fleas, bedbugs and lice. Shelters are for sleeping only, occupants are not offered a place to stay during the day.

There is only shelter space for about 1 in 4 of the homeless in Los Angeles There are 58,000 homeless in LA county and 17,801 shelter beds and they are not all available to walk ins.

"1,708 seasonal beds were open in December through March. Nearly half, 7,108, were transitional beds with stays of up to two years. 4,050 were funded by the Department of Public Social Services providing 16-day stays for welfare and general relief recipients with a possible 14-day extension. Only 4,953 beds were for crisis intervention." L.A. County now has 58,000 homeless people. So why are there thousands fewer shelter beds than in 2009?

And of course there are homeless people who refuse services, why would that surprise you? It's difficult to get some mentally ill people to take their medications on a regular basis let alone accept help from a social worker.

[2nd trick op]

These are a class of people for whom participatory democracy was never intended; if they're capable of redeeming themselves, well and good, but if they persist in irrational behavior, (which ought to be clearly determinable under the law, firm hand is the only answer. Every day the disease is allowed to fester brings us closer to a real-life catastrophe.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by BlackberryMerlot

People who disagree with you are not trolls.

I have no issue with people who disagree with me, I'm not sure why you would think otherwise.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by 2nd trick op

These are a class of people for whom participatory democracy was never intended; if they're capable of redeeming themselves, well and good, but if they persist in irrational behavior, (which ought to be clearly determinable under the law, firm hand is the only answer. Every day the disease is allowed to fester brings us closer to a real-life catastrophe.

Indeed...I've seen some of them post in these forums!

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by 2nd trick op

These are a class of people for whom participatory democracy was never intended; if they're capable of redeeming themselves, well and good, but if they persist in irrational behavior, (which ought to be clearly determinable under the law, firm hand is the only answer. Every day the disease is allowed to fester brings us closer to a real-life catastrophe.

Exactly. These are people who are largely broken. Many make excuses for these people and these excuses act as calls to emotion to get the masses to support assistance for them. This tactic works especially well with left-brained constituents, who are more susceptible to calls to emotion. The excuses are also based on notions of victimhood (sometimes shared victimhood) in order to achieve political ambitions and thus they downplay the many unseemly facts about this population. Last, the excuse industry is also part of a cultural movement that tries to relieve people from the consequences of their bad behavior and terrible choices in life and instead place all blame on society.

Among the claims made about the homeless:

Many homeless work but still cannot afford rent in LA/OC. The implication, of course, is that homelessness is entirely due to the [evil] market economy and many policy makers and interested parties have solutions at the ready to solve that agreed upon problem, whether truthful or not. Moreover, there is not enough information to know what happened with this person let alone enough to tug on the heart strings of sane persons. Are they working full time? How long have then been working? Did they just recently move from elsewhere? Why do they not have sufficient funds to weather a financial storm? Why can't their families or friends help? Why is he/she not even able to even rent a room? Do they have a criminal record (e.g.child molestation or similar) or is there perhaps another reason why landlords will not rent to them? And even assuming arguendo the person fell on hard times, we all have to prepare for such events. Why didn't this person?

A red pill has been placed in this thread.

[rodentraiser]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Exactly. These are people who are largely broken. Many make excuses for these people and these excuses act as calls to emotion to get the masses to support assistance for them. This tactic works especially well with left-brained constituents, who are more susceptible to calls to emotion. The excuses are also based on notions of victimhood (sometimes shared victimhood) in order to achieve political ambitions and thus they downplay the many unseemly facts about this population. Last, the excuse industry is also part of a cultural movement that tries to relieve people from the consequences of their bad behavior and terrible choices in life and instead place all blame on society.

Among the claims made about the homeless:

Many homeless work but still cannot afford rent in LA/OC. The implication, of course, is that homelessness is entirely due to the [evil] market economy and many policy makers and interested parties have solutions at the ready to solve that agreed upon problem, whether truthful or not. Moreover, there is not enough information to know what happened with this person let alone enough to tug on the heart strings of sane persons. Are they working full time? How long have then been working? Did they just recently move from elsewhere? Why do they not have sufficient funds to weather a financial storm? Why can't their families or friends help? Why is he/she not even able to even rent a room? Do they have a criminal record (e.g.child molestation or similar) or is there perhaps another reason why landlords will not rent to them? And even assuming arguendo the person fell on hard times, we all have to prepare for such events. Why didn't this person?

A red pill has been placed in this thread.

I must have dreamed I was working full time when I was homeless then.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Among the claims made about the homeless:

Many homeless work but still cannot afford rent in LA/OC. The implication, of course, is that homelessness is entirely due to the [evil] market economy....

Many homeless work but are still homeless? Data? I've never heard or read that.

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Why can't their families or friends help? Why is he/she not even able to even rent a room? Do they have a criminal record (e.g.child molestation or similar) or is there perhaps another reason why landlords will not rent to them? And even assuming arguendo the person fell on hard times, we all have to prepare for such events. Why didn't this person?

Have you not read any of these threads or paid any attention to the media? Do you truly not have any idea about the answers to some of these questions?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Among the claims made about the homeless:

Many homeless work but still cannot afford rent in LA/OC. The implication, of course, is that homelessness is entirely due to the [evil] market economy and many policy makers and interested parties have solutions at the ready to solve that agreed upon problem, whether truthful or not. Moreover, there is not enough information to know what happened with this person let alone enough to tug on the heart strings of sane persons. Are they working full time? How long have then been working? Did they just recently move from elsewhere? Why do they not have sufficient funds to weather a financial storm? Why can't their families or friends help? Why is he/she not even able to even rent a room? Do they have a criminal record (e.g.child molestation or similar) or is there perhaps another reason why landlords will not rent to them? And even assuming arguendo the person fell on hard times, we all have to prepare for such events. Why didn't this person?

A red pill has been placed in this thread.

That's kind of amusing. I haven't heard people blame the "market economy" for homelessness, but it's quite obvious that if wages are stagnant and rents increase you will end up with an increasing number of people who can no longer afford housing.

Employing circular reasoning, i.e. "if they tried harder, had saved money, had friends, they wouldn't be homeless" leads you right back to your original premise, that there are too many homeless people. So maybe the solution lies in finding shelter for people who are homeless, not ruminating about how they got that way? New York has more homeless than LA but almost all of them are sheltered,

"New York City had fewer than 4,000 unsheltered homeless in an official count taken in January, a number that might have been deflated somewhat by winter weather. But that amounts to only about 1 in 20 homeless people being unsheltered. That compares with 15 of every 20 homeless people in Los Angeles sleeping on the streets or in tents, vehicles or abandoned buildings."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-yor...ansive-costly/