The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (August: estimate, to sell, hired)

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

No, "he" is not, because no one was referring to Gov. Brown.

And there's a major difference, Cali. The PATIENT requests it due to a terminal illness ....

https://www.deathwithdignity.org/states/california/

Drinking and drugging ones self to death when you sleep behind a 7-11 every night isn't a terminal illness? What's the difference?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by NyWriterdude

That’s a huge part of the problem. The other part of the problem is Los Ángeles and California don’t place convicts in halfway houses. They throw them in the streets. .

Excellent point, I mentioned this before, parole in most states is a conditional early release and eligibility depends upon providing a parole plan to the board which demonstrates they have a place to stay and the means to support themselves, if they don't have family they can contact halfway houses and sober living centers, it's only when they are accepted into one that they are released. In California parole starts after you serve your entire sentence, and you are released from prison with $200 and a bus ticket back to the place where you got in trouble. They won't even let the inmates keep their prison ID when they are released.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Drinking and drugging ones self to death when you sleep behind a 7-11 every night isn't a terminal illness? What's the difference?

It's the same terminal disease we are all born with, i.e. we will all die at some point. But people can drink and/or do drugs and sleep behind a 7-11 for years if not decades.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

It's the same terminal disease we are all born with, i.e. we will all die at some point. But people can drink and/or do drugs and sleep behind a 7-11 for years if not decades.

Oh yeah? What's the median life span of life long drug addicts?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Oh yeah? What's the median life span of life long drug addicts?

That is irrelevant the operative term here is terminal which is defined as:

"A terminal condition or terminal illness is an irreversible illness that in the near future will result in death or a state of permanent unconsciousness from which the person is unlikely to recover. Examples of terminal conditions include advanced cancers, multiple organ failures, or massive heart attacks and strokes. But in many states, a terminal illness is defined as one in which the patient will die “shortly” whether or not medical treatment is given. These definitions can complicate or delay the use of a living will."
https://www.cancer.org/treatment/fin...ives/faqs.html

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

That is irrelevant the operative term here is terminal which is defined as:

I didn't say it was a terminal disease. I said "what's the difference"? as in "If drug use and addiction to alcohol is going to kill them before their time anyway, what's the difference?"

We both know that it kills them sooner rather than later (numbers are irrelevant at that point).

Assisted suicide should be an option.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

I didn't say it was a terminal disease. I said "what's the difference"? as in "If drug use and addiction to alcohol is going to kill them anyway before their time anyway, what's the difference?" But I'll take your lack of an answer as tacit admission that it kills them sooner rather than later (numbers are irrelevant at that point).

No, actually this is what you said:

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration View Post
Drinking and drugging ones self to death when you sleep behind a 7-11 every night isn't a terminal illness? What's the difference?

Dying sooner rather than later has nothing to do with a terminal illness, it has nothing to do with Governor Brown and it has nothing to do with a thread about homelessness, can we move on now?

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

No, actually this is what you said:

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration View Post
Drinking and drugging ones self to death when you sleep behind a 7-11 every night isn't a terminal illness? What's the difference?

Bolded for emphasis.

Is there any difference?

it has nothing to do with a thread about homelessness

I disagree. I think we should present all medical options for homeless people.

We should be progressive towards the problem of homelessness in giving them all the medical options they "may" need to help their struggle.

Is there a reason you would deny homeless people this medical option?

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by pittsflyer

For some people removing themselves from a bad situation is what causes their homelessness. They may not be homeless forever but they may be for a time, possibly a long time. You don’t know everyone’s situation.

Neither do you so stop speculating and making up personal narratives then trying to pass them off as reality.

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by NyWriterdude

That’s exactly it. California has not built sufficient housing for working class people and that it and of itself is causing homelessness.

It's more accurate to state that most here cannot afford to buy a house vs. there is not enough housing. I see lots of housing options here...they are just out of reach for most folks even the folks who earn good money.

Nearly 70 Percent Of Residents Can't Afford To Buy A Home In Calif.: Study