The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (Santa Monica: compared, news, state)

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Yes and no. There is a federal standard that dictates what states can do, that is found in In O'Connor v. Donaldson, in which the Supreme Court held that a person may not be involuntarily committed if they are non-dangerous and capable of surviving safely independently or with assistance in the community. The interpretation of that varies somewhat but the SCOTUS decision still dictates policy everywhere in the US.

Another decision, In Olmstead v. L.C., the Supreme Court states that segregation of persons with disabilities from community-based programs constitutes unlawful discrimination, and persons with disabilities must receive services in integrated community settings, if appropriate to their treatment needs. Forty-nine states and D.C. mandate that a person eligible for long-term involuntary commitment receive treatment in the least restrictive setting possible, in compliance with the Olmstead decision.

Not sure why I have to say it again, but quit kidding yourself, it is not easy anywhere in the US to rid yourselves of homeless, at least not for more than 72 hours. Maybe it's time to consider building enough supportive housing and shelters, then we could deal with those who refuse to stay in housing either through the criminal justice system or with mental health interventions, dontcha think?

Very clearly this a a citation from someone who is not legally trained.

[jm1982]

Koreatown residents protested again today



Koreatown residents protest proposed homeless shelter | abc7.com

[Finper]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Koreatown residents protested again today



Koreatown residents protest proposed homeless shelter | abc7.com

I think they saw the protests against the homeless worked in Irvine so they are giving it a go too. It'll be interesting to see the outcome. Homeless are pandered to in LA not Koreans

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Finper

I think they saw the protests against the homeless worked in Irvine so they are giving it a go too. It'll be interesting to see the outcome. Homeless are pandered to in LA not Koreans

Next election will be interesting as there is a chance the people wanting to implement these shelters will ... be out.

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by Veritas Vincit

The threshold for institutionalization varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction and has certainly shifted over time. People like that used to be institutionalized and they still are in other places.



It's apathy and lack of caring for your environment and fellow man dressed up as 'liberalism' that's a problem here. You aren't doing people who can't take care of themselves and who are habitually behaving anti-socially any favors by leaving them to their devices roaming the world. That's maybe what they say they 'want' when prompted, but that's not what they need.



I normally don't consider it my business or the public's business to make people get what they need rather than what they want, but when their behavior crosses a threshold of where it represents a permanent problem for their environment the priorities shift.



Instead we wait until they pull a knife, until they attack random people nearby...so when they're an 'immediate danger' they could end up dead on the sidewalk riddled with bullets, innocent bystanders could be hurt or dead. So who's helped by that? What liberal cause is aided? The 'freedom' to be a derelict bum on the streets is no freedom at all. It's dangerous for them, it's dangerous for us.

Why is someone who lives in Virginia concerned about the homeless problem in LA? Surely you have your own local issues.

And where exactly do they lock people up for incidents such as these? Are you talking about places like Egypt, or places where they still cut your hand off for stealing. Get thrown off a building just for being gay, you mean places like that?

This is still America, at least for the time being.

Why don't you worry about your own issues, you have plenty to worry about in Washington DC, which is in your back yard.

Cheers.

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by Finper

I think they saw the protests against the homeless worked in Irvine so they are giving it a go too. It'll be interesting to see the outcome. Homeless are pandered to in LA not Koreans

Good for them, these Koreans are more American than the native born.

Tough people who don't back down, Koreatown had NO LOOTING during the 92 riots. They protected themselves when the LAPD retreated.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Very clearly this a a citation from someone who is not legally trained.

umm yeah, ok... Here is the source I used for those citations. It is consistent with every other published opinion that I could find, but how about you finding a different interpretation, maybe one that supports your contention that is legally permissible to lock the homeless away in mental hospitals for as long as you want, or that it's ok to force them to live in camps in the Antelope Valley. I'll be right here waiting

[jm1982]

Homeless crazy trespassed on Taylor Swift’s Beverly Hills mansion recently .

She’s in the process of building a bigger wall to keep the crazy homeless out.

Lol he was sentenaced to 3 days in jail ! What a joke!

TMZ

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Homeless crazy trespassed on Taylor Swift’s Beverly Hills mansion recently .

She’s in the process of building a bigger wall to keep the crazy homeless out.

Lol he was sentenaced to 3 days in jail ! What a joke!

TMZ

Yes indeed CA government and judicial system is a joke!

That person stalking you needs to be institutionalized.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by Matadora

Yes indeed CA government and judicial system is a joke!

That person stalking you needs to be institutionalized.

Yeah 3 days is nothing. It’s like a joke . The cops and judges are now laughing about it even saying how weak the laws are. Sometimes they go to jail for 6 hours.

Yeah CD needs to build a better wall ! ( Firewall )