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Old 02-20-2018, 12:19 PM
 
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It's not a "humanity and empathy" issue. Why is it always framed as such?

It's a "resources and money" issue.

Sure, it would be nice if all these homeless people had top tier mental health care, housing, and 3 square meals a day.

Now how do you pay for it? Tell us all how we can pay for all of this for all of the homeless in all cities.
For many, of course, it IS an issue of humanity and empathy ... because for many those issues are prioritized over money and materialism.

Certainly it is also an issue of “resources and money”.

If it was only one or the other - the problem would be solved.

If it was only a question of resources and money, it is more costly to leave it unresolved than managed.

The breakdown is in the conflict of objections so much of society has to the concept of anyone getting something for nothing. Purely practical minds would simply house the homeless and accept it as one of the many costs of doing business as a huge, complex society where not all persons are capable of functioning prescriptively.
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:26 PM
 
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Why should "problem evictions" be covered at all?

If someone is going to be a ****up, there should be consequences. That's how the real world works.
Problem evictions don't appear to be covered. The list again:
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1. Eviction for occupancy of the unit by landlord, landlord’s spouse, grandchild, child, parents, grandparents, or resident manager.
2. Eviction under the Ellis Act. (going out of the rental business)
3. Eviction due to primary renovation of the unit.
4. Eviction pursuant to a government order’s Notice to Vacate.
Maybe I'm wrong. (I live on a boat.). Are any of those 4 reasons for receiving relocation existence caused by a tenant being “a **** up”?

Sure you are a landlord?
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:29 PM
 
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Problem evictions don't appear to be covered.
Why would they be?
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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How many of those people are mentally and physically "incomplete"? Like give me a percentage based on some data.
By your definitions: anyone and everyone who fails to compete in a socially/economically prescriptive manner is at least mentally incomplete. Your entire two-year posting history in every topic says precisely that.
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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By your definitions: anyone and everyone who fails to compete in a socially/economically prescriptive manner is at least mentally incomplete. Your entire two-year posting history in every topic says precisely that.
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it is more costly to leave it unresolved than managed.
Is it? Can you show us the calculations you used to determine that conclusion?
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:36 PM
 
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Why would they be?
You're evading as usual when you hit a wall. They wouldn't be ... and aren't. The whole point you tried to make was that relocation assistance is an unreasonable and stupid burden for landlords. You then further attempted to complain that 90% of evictions were covered by relocation assistance requirements.

Fact is, very few evictions are actually covered since those cases, #1-4, listed are very few relative to “problem evictions.” Since cases #1-4 are no fault of the tenant, why isn't it reasonable for the landlord to bear the cost of his/her pursuing advantage by the changes of property useage?
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:40 PM
 
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You're evading as usual when you hit a wall. They wouldn't be ... and aren't. The whole point you tried to make was that relocation assistance is an unreasonable and stupid burden for landlords. You then further attempted to complain that 90% of evictions were covered by relocation assistance requirements.

Fact is, very few evictions are actually covered since those cases, #1-4, listed are very few relative to “problem evictions.” Since cases #1-4 are no fault of the tenant, why isn't it reasonable for the landlord to bear the cost of his/her pursuing advantage by the changes of property useage?
No, you're simply wrong. Cases 1-4 cover the majority of the eviction cases in California. That's why California set those up as exclusions.

Unless you're trying to make the point that California has somehow become magically "renter unfriendly".

Do you own or manage rental property in CA?
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:46 PM
 
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Is it? Can you show us the calculations you used to determine that conclusion?
You ducked my observation (naturally) that every homeless person is “incomplete” in some way by your definitions.

But let's move on to your challenge. When you are done reading the calculations and rationales behind them in the references provided, if you wish more, I'll gladly provide another set, and another, and another, and another:

https://mic.com/articles/86251/study...eet#.RW0MsCZk7

https://endhomelessness.org/study-da...s-money-lives/

https://thinkprogress.org/leaving-ho...-3107834a8632/

HUD secretary says a homeless person costs taxpayers $40,000 a year | PolitiFact

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...althcare-costs

https://www.vox.com/2014/5/30/576409...s-than-to-keep

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...n_5022628.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/housing...an-save-money/

Supportive housing is cheaper than chronic homelessness
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:47 PM
 
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VOX, HuffingtonPost, Mic, the Guardian.

Do you have any credible sources of information?
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Old 02-20-2018, 12:51 PM
 
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No, you're simply wrong. Cases 1-4 cover the majority of the eviction cases in California. That's why California set those up as exclusions.

Unless you're trying to make the point that California has somehow become magically "renter unfriendly".

Do you own or manage rental property in CA?
Well, if cases 1-4 cover the majority of evictions in California, two things come up:
1. You have again avoiding demonstrating the truth of that claim you made ... so how about some verification?

2. You again evade the question of why shouldn't a landlord pay costs incurred by others (specifically in this case: displaced tenants) for the landlord's personally advantageous conversions?

A third question now also arises: why / how would my ownership / rental of property matter to your answering questions posed by yourself in this issue?
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