The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (San Diego, San Bernardino: maps, closest, riding)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

Remember, folks, there are people who don't live anywhere near Los Angeles who post in this thread. They have no idea what it's like to live here, yet they have a pathological compulsion to tell the rest of how we should live with the mentally deranged people infesting our streets. Grist for their trolling just encourages them to return and continue to indulge their pathology and there's nothing wrong with simply ignoring them -- in fact, doing so will make you the superior human being.

Pray tell us how “your” personal LA homeless are different from the San Diego, San Francisco, and Sacramento homeless ... or even from the Seattle, Portland, Chicago, Boston, Honolulu, Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia, and NYC homeless?

Inquiring minds want to know and it seems you have the key!

By the way, Exitus, you do know where San Diego is, right? Define: “anywhere near”.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by jm1982

LA Times just did one of those photo article things on homeless

Lots of truth in this comment ...

“Every one of them could be productive in some way. Most (like 95% of them) are in the position they are due to pad choices: drugs, alcohol, lack of training, choosing "partying" over responsibility. I wonder how many of them would accept room and board in return for work and sobriety.”

Face to face with the homeless

Good news from you, jm! So, when can we expect your report on how you have put such transformations into motion?

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by jm1982

LA Times just did one of those photo article things on homeless

Face to face with the homeless

I saw that in the print version. One of those photographed, David, looks heartbreakingly young.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Fine. We’ll remember your position as you ceaselessly fume and kvetch about stepping over them and their messes on your streets.

Erm, this is not a thing nor has it even been as I have not posted along those lines.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by jm1982

LA Times just did one of those photo article things on homeless

Lots of truth in this comment ...

“Every one of them could be productive in some way. Most (like 95% of them) are in the position they are due to pad choices: drugs, alcohol, lack of training, choosing "partying" over responsibility. I wonder how many of them would accept room and board in return for work and sobriety.”

Face to face with the homeless

Ah the bleeding hearts are surely spilling their own red blood cells all over the 'net viewing these images in light of their own perceived 'privilege' of being housed (and not drug/alcohol addicted and broke). Yes the homeless are worthy of consideration and are indeed human beings, but the vast majority are broken people who made very bad choices. There is a moral hazard in helping such persons with permanent housing.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Ah the bleeding hearts are surely spilling their own red blood cells all over the 'net viewing these images in light of their own perceived 'privilege' of being housed (and not drug/alcohol addicted and broke). Yes the homeless are worthy of consideration and are indeed human beings, but the vast majority are broken people who made very bad choices. There is a moral hazard in helping such persons with permanent housing.

Yes exactly . Especially when the actual cost spent on this housing starts at $460,000 + per unit .
Some of the homeless housing projects pencil out to $650,000 a unit in L.A !
I really don’t think most people understand the actual costs . Does a homeless person deserve more right to live in L.A than a person that works full time went to college but still can’t afford L.A ? Personally I don’t think so .
We never really hear the stories of middle class people that did all the right things priced out of L.A but we are supposed to feel bad for people that made many bad decisions that led to where they are .

Yeah they are humans but homeless and others like non citizens and criminals seem to be put on a pedestal here.
How about the people that did all the right things and kept their noses clean ?

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Yes exactly . Especially when the actual cost spent on this housing starts at $460,000 + per unit .
Some of the homeless housing projects pencil out to $650,000 a unit in L.A !
I really don’t think most people understand the actual costs . Does a homeless person deserve more right to live in L.A than a person that works full time went to college but still can’t afford L.A ? Personally I don’t think so .
We never really hear the stories of middle class people that did all the right things priced out of L.A but we are supposed to feel bad for people that made many bad decisions that led to where they are .

Yeah they are humans but homeless and others like non citizens and criminals seem to be put on a pedestal here.
How about the people that did all the right things and kept their noses clean ?

Because the middle class in LA area was priced out, responsible middle class people had to do one of the following:

Move to the Valley;
Move to the IE;
Move to Santa Clarita;
Move to undesirable areas in the greater LA that were close-in to their work;
Move out of California to places they could afford.

And even though they did the above listed things, these middle class people still (and their spouses) a 9 to 5 together with their long-arse commutes to job centers in areas where the homeless are also found. These people have to watch their spending just for the privilege of having a decent place to live. The homeless on the other hand, don't do diddly except maybe get high, steal a bike, rape another homeless person (if the gettin' is good), beg and eat. Despite all this, the bleeding hearts care not one bit for those commuters. They care only about the losers who made bad choices.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Yes exactly . Especially when the actual cost spent on this housing starts at $460,000 + per unit .
Some of the homeless housing projects pencil out to $650,000 a unit in L.A !
I really don’t think most people understand the actual costs . Does a homeless person deserve more right to live in L.A than a person that works full time went to college but still can’t afford L.A ? Personally I don’t think so .
We never really hear the stories of middle class people that did all the right things priced out of L.A but we are supposed to feel bad for people that made many bad decisions that led to where they are .

Yeah they are humans but homeless and others like non citizens and criminals seem to be put on a pedestal here.
How about the people that did all the right things and kept their noses clean ?

Notice too the horror when some of us were willing to build very modest permanent housing using local funds provided the housing was placed in places like San Berdoo or Lancaster (which frankly, people should be thankful to get).

"You are arrogant (for 'your' homeless to be in San Berdoo and not, say, Venice)!"
"They won't want to live there!"
"They are not forced to live there!"
"Would you want to live there?"

San Berdoo? Quelle horreur!

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Notice too the horror when some of us were willing to build very modest permanent housing using local funds provided the housing was placed in places like San Berdoo or Lancaster (which frankly, people should be thankful to get).

"You are arrogant (for 'your' homeless to be in San Berdoo and not, say, Venice)!"
"They won't want to live there!"
"They are not forced to live there!"
"Would you want to live there?"

San Berdoo? Quelle horreur!

Yeah I know I noticed that too . I always thought that mentality was strange as working people/families do live in these areas and commute to work .

The way some people make it sound it’s like we were suggesting inhabitable place .
Since these people seem to not even be from the SoCal area it’s possible they don’t even realize people live in places like San Bernardino or Lancaster .

If your goal is to House the highest number of people then it makes sense to do it in affordable areas .
City of L.A these days isnt that place with median home prices over $550,000 today.
No common sense .

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Because the middle class in LA area was priced out, responsible middle class people had to do one of the following:

Move to the Valley;
Move to the IE;
Move to Santa Clarita;
Move to undesirable areas in the greater LA that were close-in to their work;
Move out of California to places they could afford.

And even though they did the above listed things, these middle class people still (and their spouses) a 9 to 5 together with their long-arse commutes to job centers in areas where the homeless are also found. These people have to watch their spending just for the privilege of having a decent place to live. The homeless on the other hand, don't do diddly except maybe get high, steal a bike, rape another homeless person (if the gettin' is good), beg and eat. Despite all this, the bleeding hearts care not one bit for those commuters. They care only about the losers who made bad choices.

Uh huh ... just to be clear - you think:

- the majority of homeless are criminals who steal and rape and beg ...

- homeless schizophrenics made a “bad choice” ...

- homeless persons with bi-polar disorder “made a bad choice” ...

- homeless persons with other severe personality disorders “made a bad choice” ...

- homeless women whose partners years down the road fell into alcoholism and abuse made a “bad choice” ...

- homeless veteran’s who served in wars “made bad choices” ...

- homeless persons born with limited intellectual capacities “made a bad choice” ...

- homeless persons whose born personalities lack competitiveness “made a bad choice” ...

... these are “choice” issues?

There certainly are a bunch of knuckleheads on the streets who got themselves into their messes ...
But you sure like to label all homeless alike, eh? Even though about 75% of “homeless” un-homeless themselves within a year ... in fact, the average time being homeless runs about 2 months. You can look it up.