The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (San Francisco, Santa Monica: apartment, rent, buying)

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by veritased

Here's how we do in AZ. Effective. No panhandlers are found where these signs are posted.

Or this:

Even the "People's Republic of Santa Monica" has similar signs. The city installed statues of Dolphins in downtown Santa Monica with slots in them which members of the public are encouraged to drop change in rather than directly into the hands of panhandlers.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but these were installed years ago (like 15 years or more).

https://www.smgov.net/Portals/Homele....aspx?id=18850

From the City's website about the program:
"In lieu of giving money directly to panhandlers, drop your spare change into one of the dolphin statues located in Santa Monica.

Money from the Dolphin Change Program is collected by Downtown Santa Monica, Inc. and granted to local agencies providing homeless services at the Westside Shelter and Hunger Coalition’s annual Celebrating Success Breakfast. Dolphins are located on Third Street Promenade, on Main Street at Ashland, and on the Santa Monica Pier."

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Saw your post.

Saw there were no links to story (for details).

Noted that you once again are attempting (without verification) to conflate homelessness with bad behaviors that have nothing to do with homelessness, as if they are somehow uniquely defining.

You are truly remarkable in this sort of amazingly illogical, irrational, maliciously discriminatory, nonsensical attack campaign.

Here’s what anyone with half the brain god gave a gnat would have to ask about any such accusation against an entire population demographic as you have just proposed:

1. Is this behavior common to the population being accused?

2. Is the act unique to the population, as accused?

The answers are: no ... and no.

Exitus, if a black, Jewish woman wearing a red MAGA hat pushed another woman’s baby stroller, complete with baby aboard, into a fountain pool in a park, would it be right to say:

1. Blacks are more dangerous than other races

2. Jews are more dangerous than other religious persons

3. Women must all be rounded up and sent to desert internment camps so they won’t attack babies in public

4. Trump supporters should be sent on Pinochet helicopter rides

????

Would you like me to post a bazillion examples of disgusting and dangerous acts of non-homeless persons to which we could then assign bigoted accusations against whatever race, socio-economic status, gender, profession, sex, et al that the perpetrator could be identified with?

Wow, I really got to you, did I? That's quite a personal attack there, so per usual out comes a hate-filled personal attack, since as you know my posts cannot be attacked simply by means of rational discourse.

And what you've failed to address is that stakeholders in a community do not behave as did the aforementioned homeless person. People with something to lose do not command their dogs to attack others simply as a matter of personal amusement, since stakeholders in a community do not want to run the risk of criminal or civil action against them.

And that pretty much ends the discussion. Good evening.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

BTW, Tulemutt, here's a story that contradicts your fallacious allegation that other cities aren't sending their homeless here...enjoy:

Mike Bonin and Joe Buscaino, City Council members are working on legally trying to get cities surrounding Los Angeles to follow these laws.

They claim since Los Angeles allows people to sleep on the streets from 9 pm to 6 am, surrounding cities are actually dumping their homeless people in Los Angeles.

Bonin went on to say, "Instead of allowing people to sleep on their sidewalks, they are encouraging people, or compelling people, to move to the city of Los Angeles to do that".

https://kfiam640.iheart.com/featured...eless-into-la/

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Strawman alert.

Indeed:

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Some non tax paying individuals offer “optionations” at the expense of others. They dismiss the opinions of others. They spew “denigrations” to those residents of Los Angeles and Greater Los Angeles who are sick and tired of the inaction of officials to control the filthy bums and who vent here. These self styled heroes of the bums minimize the destruction of the QOL for Angelenos by bums and minimize the many crimes committed by bums whose numbers seem to be exploding. They discount the possibility that bums migrate when word gets out that bums will and are getting goodies — as if half of Ohio wouldn’t empty out if they knew they’d get a free housing unit in LA.

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

BTW, Tulemutt, here's a story that contradicts your fallacious allegation that other cities aren't sending their homeless here...enjoy:

https://kfiam640.iheart.com/featured...eless-into-la/

Not here to put words in Tulemutt's mouth but the allegation this story is making is quite different from the notion that cities hundreds or thousands of miles away (like way Chicago or St. Louis) are busing homeless people in droves to LA County.

These two politicians are merely stating surrounding cities within LA County are encouraging homeless people to camp out in the City of LA due to the court injunction. That is NOT the same claim I have seen Tulemutt make on these pages regarding large scale homeless migration from outside the region.

Nice try but no cigar Exitus.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

Wow, I really got to you, did I? That's quite a personal attack there, so per usual out comes a hate-filled personal attack, since as you know my posts cannot be attacked simply by means of rational discourse.

And what you've failed to address is that stakeholders in a community do not behave as did the aforementioned homeless person. People with something to lose do not command their dogs to attack others simply as a matter of personal amusement, since stakeholders in a community do not want to run the risk of criminal or civil action against them.

And that pretty much ends the discussion. Good evening.

No, you didn’t “get to me” ... why would such a stupid false correlation “get to me”?

“Personal attack”? The only personal attack is the one you tried to levy on the homeless: that, somehow, a stupid, sick, one-off event should define a whole community of people.

Why would I have to “address the stakeholders in a community” not behaving as this one (alleged) homeless nut-job? As I asked, should I start posting examples of sick crimes committed by housed persons and then accuse all housed persons of rape, murder, assault, poisonings, whatever because one did such?

YOU didn’t answer MY questions:

1. Is the (alleged) behavior of this one homeless person common among all - or even numerous - homeless?

2. Was it an act unique to homeless persons?

Answer those questions, Exitus. How often can you cite homeless persons doing this that you can suggest it is common homeless behavior? Answer?

We know you can’t. Just another deliberate attempt to fear-monger and incite reactive hatred.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

BTW, Tulemutt, here's a story that contradicts your fallacious allegation that other cities aren't sending their homeless here...enjoy:



https://kfiam640.iheart.com/featured...eless-into-la/

... What Astral just said:

Originally Posted by Astral_Weeks

Not here to put words in Tulemutt's mouth but the allegation this story is making is quite different from the notion that cities hundreds or thousands of miles away (like way Chicago or St. Louis) are busing homeless people in droves to LA County.

These two politicians are merely stating surrounding cities within LA County are encouraging homeless people to camp out in the City of LA due to the court injunction. That is NOT the same claim I have seen Tulemutt make on these pages regarding large scale homeless migration from outside the region.

Nice try but no cigar Exitus.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Astral_Weeks

Indeed:

Irony ate the strawman, eh

[PilgrimsProgress]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Many are paid to pick up litter. Scroll back.

No one is handing out free permanent housing.

Why do I have a feeling the 'temporary housing' will become permanent?

[PilgrimsProgress]

Mayor Yoga Pants has been trying to fool people into believing the bums aren't making the mess but businesses are doing illegal dumping. He said he'd put up cameras and catch the scofflaws! Except... someone discovered brand new cameras in boxes that had been stored for months. Oops! Your tax dollars at work!

By the way, did you hear that Garcetti cried when emergency measure EE was defeated by the voters, who showed sense for a change?

I hope KFI's John and Ken start a recall movement for that jerk before he does more damage.

Oh, and another thing, if it hasn't been mentioned:

On the side of Venice Blvd in Los Angeles, there are tents and trash on the sidewalk. Across the street, in Culver City, clean as can be! LA City Council is furious!