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Old 06-12-2018, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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I think the reason you see this among the Chicano community here is because this was originally their land. Some of them, I feel, were told “this was your land but the Anglos took it from you.” I feel this will change the dynamics of the Mexican American community in Eastside LA.

By contrast, in Nj, where I live, you don’t see this type of resistance among Latinos when it comes to change, not even gentrification. People here would be like “it’s going to happen eventually, such is life.” I feel this is because New Jersey never belonged to Latin America, like California did.
It wasn’t originally “their land “ though . Most of these people protesting don’t own land most likely.
If their families owned land and kept it they’d be super rich .

If someone told them “this was your land but Anglos took it from you “ that would be an incorrect and divisive thing to say .
These protestors are communist and socialists that hate diversity .

The reason Los Angeles has been built up into the city it is was due to the effort of many different ambitious people from diverse backgrounds including whites .

Boyle Heights used to be a lot more diverse and had a big Jewish community , the Jewish Deli Canter’s deli was originally in Boyle Heights before they moved to their Fairfax location.
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Old 06-12-2018, 12:57 PM
 
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It wasn’t originally “their land “ though . Most of these people protesting don’t own land most likely.
If their families owned land and kept it they’d be super rich.
Yes, land that was owned and taken away. Today's word is "colonization". One must understand the generational effects.

Personally, I don't like Defend Boyle Heights and I've had my fair share of back and forth with these kids. They're not interested in progress and are very ignorant at times. However, I won't deny history and even more ignorant comments like the one above.
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Old 06-12-2018, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Yes, land that was owned and taken away. Today's word is "colonization". One must understand the generational effects.

Personally, I don't like Defend Boyle Heights and I've had my fair share of back and forth with these kids. They're not interested in progress and are very ignorant at times. However, I won't deny history and even more ignorant comments like the one above.
Who is denying history ? Are you for reparations ? What’s your agenda exactly ?

Yes it’s good to know history but it’s divisive and racist to judge and discriminate against people today based on events that happened generations ago simply because they might share the same skin color .. don’t you agree?

You think there is anything positive to come from calling people colonizers in L.A in 2018?..

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Old 06-12-2018, 01:38 PM
 
Location: West Los Angeles
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So much bad information in this thread.

All the people who were in Boyle Heights long ago were Northern Mexicans who were absorbed into the U.S. at the time the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo was signed and the land was PURCHASED from Mexico. The people lamenting over gentrification are not the Northern Mexicans who were here at the signing of aforesaid treaty and have no roots here beyond a few decades at the most.
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Old 06-12-2018, 01:56 PM
 
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Who is denying history ? Are you for reparations ? What’s your agenda exactly ?

Yes it’s good to know history but it’s divisive and racist to judge and discriminate against people today based on events that happened generations ago simply because they might share the same skin color .. don’t you agree?

You think there is anything positive to come from calling people colonizers in L.A in 2018?..
Hahahaha the additional irrelevant questions. Why does there have to be an agenda to understand history and how it affects the present? You're a mess.
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Old 06-12-2018, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Hahahaha the additional irrelevant questions. Why does there have to be an agenda to understand history and how it affects the present? You're a mess.
You sympathize with the people running around calling every white person a “colonizer”. Pretty telling .
We are in 2018 in the United States of America , a capitalist country.
Too many in this city want to play identity politics instead of actually improving anything .
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Old 06-12-2018, 05:32 PM
 
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So you aren't willing to engage in an actual conversation , so you throw insults.

I'll bet I've traveled far and wider than you....thanks for the recommendation though
For this one, I'd be willing to engage in person. I bet that you won't.
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Old 06-12-2018, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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Hahahaha the additional irrelevant questions. Why does there have to be an agenda to understand history and how it affects the present? You're a mess.
A mess?

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Old 06-13-2018, 07:52 AM
 
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Yes, land that was owned and taken away. Today's word is "colonization". One must understand the generational effects.
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You do realize that’s the history of earth and human kind, since before civilization, right?

People fight, struggle, and take what they can from others. This idea that colonization is some terrible misjustice that must be remedied is false. Unless you think living like barely contacted tribes in the Amazon is a reasonable solution.
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Old 06-13-2018, 09:56 AM
 
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I'll bet she won't
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