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Old 06-03-2018, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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OK you pay for public housing as that is where the money comes from ... your pocket.It will cost a LOT.



I am not carrying water for anyone just speaking about reality.


Tenants should pay or leave. That is what happens to every person who bought a house and can't make the payments, why should renters be free of paying what they owe?
Yeah exactly . All these advocates viewing it from an emotional point of view .

Is moving to Arizona or Texas really the end of the world ? Will these people combust if they have to move out of the L.A area ?

We just can’t subsidize everyone that wants to live in L.A . Nobody is entitled to live in L.A just because they want to .
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Old 06-03-2018, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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My ancestors built this state. Why the phu0ck should I move away just to satisfy your imperialist and colonialism motives? Just go back to where you came from, and tell all your transplant friends. Southern California is full, there’s already too many people.

I’m certain that you’re not welcomed because you’d just contribute to the already brutal traffic on the 10 freeway.
Where do I go back to where I came from if I was born in CA ?

You must be wealthy if your ancestors built the state.
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Old 06-03-2018, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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“Native”. ROFL-COPTER okay. Learn the history of Nuestra Señora Reina de Los Ángeles and go back to Europe you colonizer.
Europe? No thanks . I think I’ll buy property in Boyle Heights and do my part to gentrify it
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Old 06-04-2018, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Yeah exactly . All these advocates viewing it from an emotional point of view .
Is moving to Arizona or Texas really the end of the world ? Will these people combust if they have to move out of the L.A area ? We just can’t subsidize everyone that wants to live in L.A . Nobody is entitled to live in L.A just because they want to .
The problem with your argument is that LA can't afford to lose large numbers of lower wage workers, who will be left to clean your streets, teach your kids, cut your hair or stock the shelves in grocery stores? People are not going to commute from the Antelope Valley or Arizona to cater to your needs.

That is one of the prices that society has to pay for the wonderful free market. There are two options, the government provides housing subsidies or rent control is imposed, but at this point I'm thinking rent control is probably too little too late.
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Old 06-04-2018, 07:44 AM
 
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OK you pay for public housing as that is where the money comes from ... your pocket.It will cost a LOT.
I am not carrying water for anyone just speaking about reality.
Tenants should pay or leave. That is what happens to every person who bought a house and can't make the payments, why should renters be free of paying what they owe?
Yep! Pay or leave, and in time they will definitely leave. And when they do there won't be anyone left to do the grunt work. Good luck trying to find people who are willing to spend 4 hours a day commuting to DTLA from Palmdale to work for $15 an hour.

My guess is that at some point local governments will have to subsidize rents for low wage workers just to keep them from fleeing enmasse, and this won't be unique to LA, it will probably happen in San Francisco first.
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Orange County... Arizona bound
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Yep! Pay or leave, and in time they will definitely leave. And when they do there won't be anyone left to do the grunt work. Good luck trying to find people who are willing to spend 4 hours a day commuting to DTLA from Palmdale to work for $15 an hour.

My guess is that at some point local governments will have to subsidize rents for low wage workers just to keep them from fleeing enmasse, and this won't be unique to LA, it will probably happen in San Francisco first.
What about the homeless?? They can do our grunt work. They're not busy and they can earn a few bucks. Win win
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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Well in that case you just move further and further out until you find a place you can afford the rent. Can’t expect to always pay the same low rent in a desirable neighborhood. No one’s entitled to stay in an area just because they were born there and never lived anywhere else.

Why struggling living paycheck by paycheck, just barely getting by, than moving somewhere else where you can get ahead with the lower cost of living? If anything, the landlords are doing them a favor by forcing (evicting) people to explore other options and opportunities.
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The problem with your argument is that LA can't afford to lose large numbers of lower wage workers, who will be left to clean your streets, teach your kids, cut your hair or stock the shelves in grocery stores? People are not going to commute from the Antelope Valley or Arizona to cater to your needs.

That is one of the prices that society has to pay for the wonderful free market. There are two options, the government provides housing subsidies or rent control is imposed, but at this point I'm thinking rent control is probably too little too late.
That’s not true . There are plenty of people that are willing to commute far . Housing is expensive but people still line up for min wage jobs . Where I used to work there were even people in the IT department commuting from Antelope Valley . There were facilities and janitorial staff commuting from Fontana to the Westside of L.A
Because they could own homes there instead of renting a small studio or something closer to work .

There are plenty of people including illegal immigrants that will stack up 4 people to a 1 bedroom apartment for example . Might be better than the village they came from .

People aren’t having trouble finding employees for lower end jobs , they are having more trouble at the higher end because those with professional careers and a middle class lifestyle expect more. They want to be able to live in a decent area and usually a single family home especially if they have kids.

There already is rent control in L.A but sometimes people decide to get out of the rental business and develop property . Which they should have every right to do .
There is not enough money or space to provide housing subsidies for every single person that wants to live in la but can’t afford market rents .

Just giving you perspective and reality since I live in L.A things might be a bit diffferent up north.
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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What about the homeless?? They can do our grunt work. They're not busy and they can earn a few bucks. Win win
Plenty of them work , just in “untraditional careers” . Robbery , burglary, shoplifting , panhandling ,etc
Many of the homeless are ex cons .
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:11 AM
 
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Yep! Pay or leave, and in time they will definitely leave. And when they do there won't be anyone left to do the grunt work. Good luck trying to find people who are willing to spend 4 hours a day commuting to DTLA from Palmdale to work for $15 an hour.

My guess is that at some point local governments will have to subsidize rents for low wage workers just to keep them from fleeing enmasse, and this won't be unique to LA, it will probably happen in San Francisco first.
If enough left it would drive up salaries for those staying as there would not be enough workers and rent would not be a problem, plus reducing the number of illegals taking low paying jobs, driving salaries down for everyone else that wants such a job. Supply and demand not the Gov't stepping in and hurting both sides.
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Old 06-04-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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What about the homeless?? They can do our grunt work. They're not busy and they can earn a few bucks. Win win
That would be great but it might be tough for them to shower before work and change clothes, dontcha think Seriously I think it would be great to put able bodied homeless people to work but it's not as easy as walking up to them and saying "you're hired". A Northern California County I am familiar with got some grant money several years ago to give homeless parolees jobs, but that money also included housing for 60 days after they were hired (they paid 1/2 of their wages for the housing) The local parks and rec department agreed to hire them and train them and waive union wage and hours rules for the program, they went to work raking leaves and dumping trash for $9 or $10 an hour but they also learned how to operate and maintain landscaping and irrigation equipment. Of the dozen or so that started the program about half of them went on to become regular full time City employees, some of the others obtained private sector jobs and 2 or 3 just fell off somewhere along the way and disappeared. I'm sure that could be replicated but there doesn't seem to be much will to put together programs like that.
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