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Old 07-04-2018, 12:04 AM
 
Location: West Los Angeles
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Some residents in Palos Verdes Estates are up in arms over a Confederate battle flag seen flying over a homeowner's backyard.
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A recent post on the website Nextdoor has a handful of residents split on the topic in Palos Verdes Estates, some preferring to let him fly the flag on the grounds of freedom of speech. Palos Verdes Estates City Manager Anton Dahlerbruch said the city was looking into what could be done about the flag.

“That flag is offensive and upsetting to many, many people, and doesn’t keep with the values we cherish in Palos Verdes Estates,” Dahlerbruch wrote in a statement. “Although the First Amendment protects all types of speech, we are monitoring the situation.”
Confederate flag raises eyebrows in Palos Verdes Estates | Local News - The Beach Reporter | tbrnews.com
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Old 07-04-2018, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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lol , this guy seems cool .

““I don’t really give a damn about the politics of liberal idiots who want to look at that flag and say, 'oh that’s racist,'” Ryan said. “The last person you can call a racist is me.”
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:31 AM
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Freedom of speech, people are too sensitive these days.
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Old 07-04-2018, 03:07 AM
 
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It wouldn't surprise me if some of you were flying confederate flags or otherwise have confederate symbols in your home.
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Old 07-04-2018, 03:19 AM
 
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This is what I understand about the Confederate flag. It represents the Confederate cause. The Confederate cause is spelled out in the Articles of Secession, the Confederate Constitution, the Cornerstone Speech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech

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The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."
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Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science.
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look with confidence to the ultimate universal acknowledgement of the truths upon which our system rests? It is the first government ever instituted upon the principles in strict conformity to nature, and the ordination of Providence, in furnishing the materials of human society. Many governments have been founded upon the principle of the subordination and serfdom of certain classes of the same race; such were and are in violation of the laws of nature. Our system commits no such violation of nature's laws.
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The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.
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The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party. While it attracts to itself by its creed the scattered advocates of exploded political heresies, of condemned theories in political economy, the advocates of commercial restrictions, of protection, of special privileges, of waste and corruption in the administration of Government, anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose. By anti-slavery it is made a power in the state. The question of slavery was the great difficulty in the way of the formation of the Constitution.
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Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.
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It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.

It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.

It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.

It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.

It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.
Based on what I know about the Confederate cause, based on what I've read about the history of it, I have every reason to say that flying the Confederate flag is a bad idea. It tells me "you support the Confederate cause. You would love to see racism and slavery make a return in the USA". We have plenty of resources to prove that the Confederate cause is a reprehensible cause, a cause rooted in wanting to keep slavery and perpetuate it.
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Old 07-04-2018, 03:56 AM
 
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Ignorant and easily influenced people are offended. The flag itself was a Virginia Battle Flag. Trying to attach a flag to racism, slavery etc etc is sad.
The USA flag was the only flag used by this country during legal slavery, which was a very short time 150 plus years ago.
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Old 07-04-2018, 07:27 AM
 
Location: California
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These perpetually offended progressives need to pick up some hobbies...
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Old 07-04-2018, 08:10 AM
 
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Ignorant and easily influenced people are offended. The flag itself was a Virginia Battle Flag. Trying to attach a flag to racism, slavery etc etc is sad.
The USA flag was the only flag used by this country during legal slavery, which was a very short time 150 plus years ago.
Really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tappan_Thompson

From someone who actually lived back in those days, his words on the "Stainless Banner":

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As a people, we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause....
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As a national emblem, it is significant of our higher cause, the cause of a superior race, and a higher civilization contending against ignorance, infidelity, and barbarism. Another merit in the new flag is, that it bears no resemblance to the now infamous banner of the Yankee vandals
That is where the Virginia Battle Flag derived from, the "Stainless Banner".


The USA might have had slavery, but the free states were abolishing it within its while southern states were holding on for dear life to the institution of slavery. The Confederacy's ideals were about keeping slavery and said so in its own constitution as well as the Cornerstone Speech and the Articles of Secession. No one denies that the USA had slavery, but it was mostly the South that was holding on to it and was willing to break away from the USA in order to keep it.

I'm ignorant? Talk about ironic.
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Old 07-04-2018, 08:12 AM
 
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These perpetually offended progressives need to pick up some hobbies...
And you need to go read about the history of the Confederate cause. Or better yet, instead of getting mad at me for being "offended", why not just admit that you like the Confederate flag. I would have more respect for you(although not much at all) if you just admitted how YOU really felt instead of the accusations of "perpetually offended".

And from my perspective, I have every reason to be offended. Got a problem with it? Too bad. My ancestors were enslaved and the Confederates sought to break from the USA so they could keep people like my ancestors enslaved. The South lost, slavery was made illegal, and quite frankly, I'm glad the Confederates lost. I find it stupid that I would get accused of being offended, but those who fly the Confederate flag are basically nursing the wounds of the Confederacy getting whipped in the Civil War. War's over. Until said persons stop flying Confederate flags and get over it, no one has a right to complain about me getting offended.
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Old 07-04-2018, 08:39 AM
 
Location: the Permian Basin
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It wouldn't surprise me if some of you were flying confederate flags or otherwise have confederate symbols in your home.

Of course, but not just at our homes. We also fly flags at our businesses and on our vehicles, at battle reenactments, county fairs, funerals, marker dedications, parades, and while giving educational talks to school children and community groups. We also place flags at the graves of our Confederate ancestors on holidays like Confederate Heroes Day, Confederate Flag Day, and Lee-Jackson Day.


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