Library ethics (university, live, law)

[looker009]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

See the link ryanms3030 posted.

Everyone that hods a camera is press according to u.s. supreme court case from the 80's. Being library is public property a lot of library rues are not enforceable.

[in_newengland]

Referring to the loud person on her phone, as someone said, you should have spoken with a department head or someone sitting behind a desk. In other words, one of the professionals, not just a person (possibly only a volunteer) who is shelving DVDs. That person was probably not a librarian but simply a library employee and was not trained in maintaining standards regarding library patrons.

Libraries today have a terrible problem with people just dropping in and hanging out all day to wash in their sink and use their toilet. There's nothing they can do because it's public property. But most libraries have rules about behavior, especially loud behavior. Some libraries are very liberal and allow almost anything. But the mission of a public library is supposed to be to make knowledge accessible to all members of the public, rich or poor. So I think if that person's loud behavior is interfering with your acquisition of knowledge, it is defeating the purpose of what a library is there for. (However, I was in a library once where someone was practicing voice lessons--loudly--in an adjoining room! No way for me to study as I couldn't move to some quiet room.)

[Social Democrat]

Originally Posted by looker009

Everyone that hods a camera is press according to u.s. supreme court case from the 80's. Being library is public property a lot of library rues are not enforceable.

That's interesting. Please post a link to the info.

[looker009]

Originally Posted by Social Democrat

That's interesting. Please post a link to the info.

read up on gertz v. robert welch inc. in that case where the court ruled that "[SIZE=2]freedom of the press applies to everyone - not only journalists"[/SIZE]


There are many other cases as well and this might be good article to read that explains freedom of the press https://washingtonsblog.com/2019/04/...ess-means.html


Being everyone can be press , having rules that prevents one from exercising their 1st amendment in public can only be restricted if high bar is achieved such as screaming fire in crowded movie theater.



Yes library can enforce their rues but it needs in the proper manner and not just because they created a rule that says something.

[Social Democrat]

Thanks, very interesting reading.

[ryanms3030]

Originally Posted by looker009

read up on gertz v. robert welch inc. in that case where the court ruled that "[SIZE=2]freedom of the press applies to everyone - not only journalists"[/SIZE]


There are many other cases as well and this might be good article to read that explains freedom of the press https://washingtonsblog.com/2019/04/...ess-means.html


Being everyone can be press , having rules that prevents one from exercising their 1st amendment in public can only be restricted if high bar is achieved such as screaming fire in crowded movie theater.



Yes library can enforce their rues but it needs in the proper manner and not just because they created a rule that says something.

What newsworthy event were you recording in the library. There is a fine line between being a journalist and reporting news for the greater good and being a jerk and disrupting everyone who is trying to use a library so that you can prove a selfish point. You live in a society

[looker009]

Originally Posted by ryanms3030

What newsworthy event were you recording in the library. There is a fine line between being a journalist and reporting news for the greater good and being a jerk and disrupting everyone who is trying to use a library so that you can prove a selfish point. You live in a society

Yes i live in society that is governed by laws. In this case i was gathering content for possible publication. Just because Library has rules that says something can't be done does not mean it's enforceable because rules and policy only apply to the employees. I on the other hand follow the law. Depending on the area OP was in, it's very possible that the person wasn't violating any laws by using cell phone as it was consider to be general area and not area designed to be quiet area.

[ryanms3030]

Originally Posted by looker009

Yes i live in society that is governed by laws. In this case i was gathering content for possible publication. Just because Library has rules that says something can't be done does not mean it's enforceable because rules and policy only apply to the employees. I on the other hand follow the law. Depending on the area OP was in, it's very possible that the person wasn't violating any laws by using cell phone as it was consider to be general area and not area designed to be quiet area.

Libraries are quiet areas. What is and what is law isn't the question. What is polite to the your fellow members of society is the question. People go to a library with certain expectations. People that go to a library expect it to be a quiet place, that is a societal expectation. If someone is going to go into a library and cause a disruption for the other dozens of people in there because you feel entitled to do so because it's not explicitly against the law then you are just a selfish, entitled jerk.

[looker009]

[quote=ryanms3030;55234557[B]]Libraries are quiet areas[/b]. What is and what is law isn't the question. What is polite to the your fellow members of society is the question. People go to a library with certain expectations. People that go to a library expect it to be a quiet place, that is a societal expectation. If someone is going to go into a library and cause a disruption for the other dozens of people in there because you feel entitled to do so because it's not explicitly against the law then you are just a selfish, entitled jerk.[/quote]


Libraries were quiet area. People were going there to do research, read books etc. That is no longer the case. Purpose of library been changing for a while now. Societal expectation is irrelevant. Everyone is free to their opinion so if something thinks for example i am a jerk, that is totally fine with me.

[ryanms3030]

[quote=looker009;55234751]

Originally Posted by ryanms3030;55234557[B

]Libraries are quiet areas[/b]. What is and what is law isn't the question. What is polite to the your fellow members of society is the question. People go to a library with certain expectations. People that go to a library expect it to be a quiet place, that is a societal expectation. If someone is going to go into a library and cause a disruption for the other dozens of people in there because you feel entitled to do so because it's not explicitly against the law then you are just a selfish, entitled jerk.[/quote]


Libraries were quiet area. People were going there to do research, read books etc. That is no longer the case. Purpose of library been changing for a while now. Societal expectation is irrelevant. Everyone is free to their opinion so if something thinks for example i am a jerk, that is totally fine with me.

we must go to different libraries