West Hollywood Has Highest Rate of Coronavirus Infections in LA County (lawyers, houses)

[looker009]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Hollywood also has a lot.

Besides the obvious reason(s), walkability is a problem. They easily can walk to shops while technically abiding by city and government orders. We need authorities who don't care about political correctness and will as much as possible confine people in WeHo and probably Hollywood in their homes as much as possible and bring supplies to them instead and do door-to-door pre-screening for coronavirus. Also, a health warning needs to be issued for people who don't live there to stay out unless absolutely necessary.

The reasonwwhy many people are complying is because it's not being enforced. You try to actually enforce it and you will see different public reaction. I drove today to both Santa Monica and Hollywood and plenty of people were out. Also if this gets pushed too hard lawsuits will start flying in terms of legality of this order

[goodheathen]

Nobody is calling for arrests. In that part of town, ordering more businesses to close and shutting down roads would help. Anyone trying to sue over those two tactics would have almost no chance of winning. Edit: shut metro transportation through that red zone, too (although it's probably very light now). And, you, don't drive there anymore. The virus has the potential to kill a few million Americans within a year - that should be the end of the argument.

[looker009]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Nobody is calling for arrests. In that part of town, ordering more businesses to close and shutting down roads would help. Anyone trying to sue over those two tactics would have almost no chance of winning. Edit: shut metro transportation through that red zone, too (although it's probably very light now). And, you, don't drive there anymore. The virus has the potential to kill a few million Americans within a year - that should be the end of the argument.

Many of my friends are lawyers and many of them disagree that it would survive legal challenge. State of emergency doesn't in anyway, shape or form suspend the constitution. Yes it give governor power to shutdown business etc as result of health department. However being US constitution is not suspended, the governor still must follow it. His order violates freedom to gather clause of 1st amendment. There is just no way around that. Unless President Trump declares US Marshall law, this order likely is unconstitutional and not enforceable. Which is why I said, if they start pushing it hard, it will get challenged in court. Even California governor declare martial law in California, us constitution would still have to be followed.


edit:I should add that shutting business is all good but governor specifically demanding people stay at home as much as possible which is not enforceable.

[goodheathen]

By the way, Brentwood is up to 18. It's a sleepy area, though; I don't know that much can be done to better control it. Maybe many of them have been working in WeHo-Hollywood-Melrose part of town.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by looker009

Many of my friends are lawyers and many of them disagree that it would survive legal challenge. State of emergency doesn't in anyway, shape or form suspend the constitution. Yes it give governor power to shutdown business etc as result of health department. However being US constitution is not suspended, the governor still must follow it. His order violates freedom to gather clause of 1st amendment. There is just no way around that. Unless President Trump declares US Marshall law, this order likely is unconstitutional and not enforceable. Which is why I said, if they start pushing it hard, it will get challenged in court. Even California governor declare martial law in California, us constitution would still have to be followed.

Where did the government or I indicate any desire to violate the Constitution? The suggestions I just made are realistic, and also the Runyon Canyon parking lot could be closed and business district (metered) parking could be forbidden, as Santa Monica just did with beach parking. Be honest - you don't personally feel like quarantining?

[looker009]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Where did the government or I indicate any desire to violate the Constitution? The suggestions I just made are realistic, and also the Runyon Canyon parking lot could be closed and business district (metered) parking could be forbidden, as Santa Monica just did with beach parking. Be honest - you don't personally feel like quarantining?

Shelter in place order as being used is order to stay home except for permitted activity. That order if taken on face value is violation of constitution. No i do not like the order, i feel it's illegal and i am ignoring it. I have gotten together with over 20 people today and we had order delivery. Yes beach parking can be banned. Street parking can only banned if proper signage is posted otherwise not everyone know about it. In fact unless i mistaken parking in all city in California been relaxed so not sure how banning on street meter would even be enforced when city told residence they can park there without worrying about getting at ticket/and or towed.

[goodheathen]

Yes, that's a problem, given the earlier statement about metered parking not being enforced.

The bigger problem is attitude. 20-people gathering People will die from needless gatherings. There are the Internet and Skype - quarantine does not feel like solitary confinement. Stop rationalizing about constitutionality - don't start claiming the virus isn't a big deal - and be safe to yourself and others.

[looker009]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Yes, that's a problem, given the earlier statement about metered parking not being enforced.

The bigger problem is attitude. 20-people gathering People will die from needless gatherings. There are the Internet and Skype - quarantine does not feel like solitary confinement. Stop rationalizing about constitutionality - don't start claiming the virus isn't a big deal - and be safe to yourself and others.

I can't not make rationalize about the constitution being that is what this country was founded on and its bases of our democracy.



Regarding 20 people, it's our risk to take and it should be up to us to make that decision and not anyone else.

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by looker009

Many of my friends are lawyers and many of them disagree that it would survive legal challenge. State of emergency doesn't in anyway, shape or form suspend the constitution. Yes it give governor power to shutdown business etc as result of health department. However being US constitution is not suspended, the governor still must follow it. His order violates freedom to gather clause of 1st amendment. There is just no way around that. Unless President Trump declares US Marshall law, this order likely is unconstitutional and not enforceable. Which is why I said, if they start pushing it hard, it will get challenged in court. Even California governor declare martial law in California, us constitution would still have to be followed.


edit:I should add that shutting business is all good but governor specifically demanding people stay at home as much as possible which is not enforceable.

Yes, yes, your lawyer friends keep saying there’s going to be lawsuits. You’ve said this over and over, but no lawsuits so far. Curious how you’re so hell bent on people going out.

This isn’t the only state doing this. If it was unconstitutional the ACLU would be screaming. In fact, the ACLU is monitoring the order to make sure it’s enforced equitably.

“The shelter-in-place orders that have been issued for the entire state of California are clearly an enormous and almost unprecedented curtailment of our individual civil liberties. Nonetheless, these measures have overwhelming support from local and national public health experts in support of our collective well-being”

So it appears your friends don’t know what they’re talking about.

https://www.aclunc.org/article/aclu-...ovid-19-crisis

[looker009]

Originally Posted by Mike930

Yes, yes, your lawyer friends keep saying there’s going to be lawsuits. You’ve said this over and over, but no lawsuits so far. Curious how you’re so hell bent on people going out.

This isn’t the only state doing this. If it was unconstitutional the ACLU would be screaming. In fact, the ACLU is monitoring the order to make sure it’s enforced equitably.

“The shelter-in-place orders that have been issued for the entire state of California are clearly an enormous and almost unprecedented curtailment of our individual civil liberties. Nonetheless, these measures have overwhelming support from local and national public health experts in support of our collective well-being”

So it appears your friends don’t know what they’re talking about.

https://www.aclunc.org/article/aclu-...ovid-19-crisis

While there haven't been lawsuit in California over this yet that i am aware of, there been lawsuit in another state over the closure of restaurants. Also shelter in place is not being enforced. It's one of those do as I say order without teeth in it. ACLU is a joke and is not going to sue as they are pro Democrats.