Flattening the curve is working! (Los Angeles, Corona: apartments, earthquakes, trains)

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by JohnG72

La county extends stay at home orders through July.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ktla.co...ronavirus/amp/

Nice. WTH are people and business supposed to do through the three month.

And why in the hell is no official or doctor answering why there are per capita multiple more cases in LA County than anywhere else in California. LA has 5-10x more cases and deaths on a per capita basis than any of the counties surrounding us. Only San Francisco County is in the ballpark and we still have 1.5x their numbers on a per capita basis.

It’s a bit confusing. They’re opening beaches, parks, golf courses, hiking trails and malls for curbside pick up, but the stay at home order is in effect for three months?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lat...al%3f_amp=true

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

Anybody who dies they count it as a coronavirus death in order to keep the hysteria going.

That particular piece of BS really has legs.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA

That particular piece of BS really has legs.

Yes, accent on the BS.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by JohnG72

La county extends stay at home orders through July.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ktla.co...ronavirus/amp/

Nice. WTH are people and business supposed to do through the three month.

And why in the hell is no official or doctor answering why there are per capita multiple more cases in LA County than anywhere else in California. LA has 5-10x more cases and deaths on a per capita basis than any of the counties surrounding us. Only San Francisco County is in the ballpark and we still have 1.5x their numbers on a per capita basis.

Too much spread by illegals? Too many Typhoid Mary retail employees? People spending too much time mingling with others not from their homes? Private vehicles might be why, compared to San Francisco and New York City.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by Mike930

It’s a bit confusing. They’re opening beaches, parks, golf courses, hiking trails and malls for curbside pick up, but the stay at home order is in effect for three months?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lat...al%3f_amp=true

Because the public is screaming for the outdoor activities, which if not crowded are relatively low-risk - it's to placate. I don't know who cares much about curbside pick-up, which hardly gets people out of their homes. I hope that most other places stay closed. There's too much COVID-19 locally and not worth it to get sick from eating at a restaurant or browsing clothing racks. If most other parts of California are able to open up much faster, then that should allow the governor to divert money to LA County for all the individuals and businesses hurting financially.

[landlock]

Actually, LA both new cases per day and deaths per day (latter is the only metric that really matters, considering almost everyone with COVID is asymptomatic and is not getting tested) had been stabilized since 3 weeks ago, and had been going down (2 "per day" charts):
https://www.latimes.com/projects/cal...ngeles-county/

The comments under the article about 3-months extension are refreshing:
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ard-new-normal
No, LA shouldn't get a dime "diverted" from other counties and there's no reason for LA to stay closed.
The curve had been flattened since 3 weeks ago.

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by JohnG72

La county extends stay at home orders through July.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ktla.co...ronavirus/amp/

Nice. WTH are people and business supposed to do through the three month.

And why in the hell is no official or doctor answering why there are per capita multiple more cases in LA County than anywhere else in California. LA has 5-10x more cases and deaths on a per capita basis than any of the counties surrounding us. Only San Francisco County is in the ballpark and we still have 1.5x their numbers on a per capita basis.

Probably because the explanations and epidemiology of pandemics aren't written overnight. Health experts aren't really sure yet as to why:

"A number of issues could determine how seriously any particular area is impacted by the pandemic – population density and use of public transit, health conditions and access to health care, large institutionalized populations and socioeconomic factors such as size and composition of a household and types of occupations that put people at greater risk of infection.

Could outbreaks in jails or nursing homes skew the numbers differently later? Are some communities better at social distancing and staying at home, and how long will that last as people grow more restless?"


The quote below relates to Orange County's lower per capita deaths compared to surrounding counties but the uncertainty is noteworthy. He is an epidemiologist and associate professor of public health at UC Irvine:

“It’s good news for Orange County,” Noymer said of the county’s low number of COVID-19 fatalities. “But I can’t point to a single thing that says why.”

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/05/0...its-neighbors/

If he isn't sure why than why should anyone else give the public SWAG's that aren't accurate?

Given LA County's high per capita case and death count, the most important item on any public health experts agenda right now is going to be taking the steps necessary at containment.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by landlock

Actually, LA both new cases per day and deaths per day (latter is the only metric that really matters, considering almost everyone with COVID is asymptomatic and is not getting tested) had been stabilized since 3 weeks ago, and had been going down (2 "per day" charts):
https://www.latimes.com/projects/cal...ngeles-county/

The comments under the article about 3-months extension are refreshing:
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ard-new-normal
No, LA shouldn't get a dime "diverted" from other counties and there's no reason for LA to stay closed.
The curve had been flattened since 3 weeks ago.

Death is not the only metric that matters, and COVID-19 is not known to be asymptomatic for the vast majority of people over 35 or thereabouts. Until you wake the heck up and realize that, your posts are almost toxic. The virus isn't slowing down in Los Angeles, and that's with lockdown, which everyone (including me) wishes could safely end. No place has successfully reopened without a drop in new infections.

Due to the importance of being able to reopen most of the county, I think the government might have to bribe stupid/selfish people to be tested and then (as has been officially considered) pay them to stay home (with ankle monitoring and ignition locks on vehicles, I guess) if infected.

[ohio_peasant]

Originally Posted by Astral_Weeks

So the ends justify the means?

Precisely the reverse. Even a worthy and salutary end, if accomplished by brutish means, is so tarnished, that we can't regard the enterprise as having been worthwhile.

Originally Posted by Astral_Weeks

If the current restrictions had somehow miraculously held the death toll to zero or near zero and the curve was sharply falling, you would applaud what policymakers did (including the closures of many businesses)?

Given the economic losses, no. Absolutely not.

Originally Posted by JohnG72

La county extends stay at home orders through July.

We've rapidly transcended the tragedy-stage, and are heading towards farce.

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

...From my own personal experience I recall quite a stink in this country being made about 58,000 American deaths over 10 years time in Vietnam - which averages out less than 6,000 per year of conflict in a country of 300 million.

Vietnam was arguably a travesty and a foolish cause, on top of being a failure. Any life lost in Vietnam, was a tragic mistake, and an entirely avoidable one.

But pandemics are acts of nature. We mourn every death, but it is emphatically not the case, that generals or despots sent these people to their deaths. Even if humanity goes extinct, through some enormous miscarriage of nature, it is after all a natural act, and not a manmade one.

In other words, we can and should avoid sending our young-men to die for facile goals of national hubris. But this it totally unlike actively harming our society, in some desperate attempt to blunt nature's wrath.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Now we have extra detention through July because some of you can't seem to mask-up and stay socially separated. Thanks a lot for that. I hate some of you people so much.