Flattening the curve is working! (Los Angeles, Orange: pollution, foods, rated)

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by saibot

I've lived in three different OC cities and have never been more than five minutes' drive from a grocery store. Where I am now, I can walk. I'm trying to think of any OC area which would be so far from a grocery store that it would "discourage people from driving there." Maybe if you live in the far back of Coto de Caza? I can assure you that such places account for only a tiny fraction of OC residents and most residential areas are not anything like that. There are supermarkets everywhere.

"Cities." True of most cities in any county. Is that true for OC residents living outside cities? Also, it's possible that Orange County stores have safer interior designs (from being newer) and more curbside pickup and delivery options.

Something else is that reduced LA traffic removes a usual hesitance to go to stores.

I think stores that are shut due to outbreaks shouldn't be allowed to reopen inside without first offering curbside pickup (if they can).

[TimTheEnchanter]

Originally Posted by saibot

I'm trying to think of any OC area which would be so far from a grocery store that it would "discourage people from driving there."

Silverado Canyon

Coto de Caza has a ton just outside the gate, but what does it matter when Cook is doing the shopping anyways

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by looker009

Sure at this moment, however unless i need emergency surgery i am not seeing myself voluntary getting the test. Also you can test negative in the morning and be positive in the evening.

Yeah, so? The test also isn't very accurate. It's still better than nothing, which is having contagious people endangering others and therefore most of the economy shut down. The way out includes temperature checks with occasional full-fledged testing or as indicated by a temperature or other symptoms. Someone going into surgery soon probably isn't going out much and therefore unlikely to get infected just after a test.

[looker009]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Yeah, so? The test also isn't very accurate. It's still better than nothing, which is having contagious people endangering others and therefore most of the economy shut down. The way out includes temperature checks with occasional full-fledged testing or as indicated by a temperature or other symptoms. Someone going into surgery soon probably isn't going out much and therefore unlikely to get infected just after a test.

Temperature test is really misleading. You are unlikely to be running a fever until you're severely sick. Also temperature test can be impacted by how long you been outside and how hot it's outside.

[goodheathen]

"You are unlikely to be running a fever until you're severely sick."

I don't think that's true. Fever vs. high fever. It has other real problems, including daytime variations in body temperature. It's a lousy screening tool (a slightly elevated temperature isn't technically a fever), but also better than nothing.

Doing nothing except minimizing interactions among people isn't getting Los Angeles out of this soon.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by looker009

Temperature test is really misleading. You are unlikely to be running a fever until you're severely sick. Also temperature test can be impacted by how long you been outside and how hot it's outside.

So are most comments contributed by foreign trolls engaged in campaigns to create mistrust and confusion.

[Stephy0519]

Originally Posted by looker009

Sure at this moment, however unless i need emergency surgery i am not seeing myself voluntary getting the test. Also you can test negative in the morning and be positive in the evening.

If you get your teeth cleaned, even a normal cleaning twice a year, as you should, you will most likely need to get it even before that.

[landlock]

Originally Posted by looker009

Sure at this moment, however unless i need emergency surgery i am not seeing myself voluntary getting the test. Also you can test negative in the morning and be positive in the evening.

Are they testing anyone for HIV before teeth cleaning?
There've been many people who've been infected with HIV through dental services, but they're not testing for it.

Covid-flu situation is nothing but a cover for totalitarian power grab, basically, hence all the ridiculous things like "contact tracing" (of millions that have or had it), useless and invasive testing wannabes, while they're out of money completely and printing money like crazy which will destroy the economy for good. If they start requiring testing for unrelated medical care, they'll just deter people from seeking medical care and will be sued. Currently, I think even people who'd get strong covid-flu symptoms would be too afraid to seek medical care.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by landlock

Are they testing anyone for HIV before teeth cleaning?
There've been many people who've been infected with HIV through dental services, but they're not testing for it.

Covid-flu situation is nothing but a cover for totalitarian power grab, basically, hence all the ridiculous things like "contact tracing" (of millions that have or had it), useless and invasive testing wannabes, while they're out of money completely and printing money like crazy which will destroy the economy for good. If they start requiring testing for unrelated medical care, they'll just deter people from seeking medical care and will be sued. Currently, I think even people who'd get strong covid-flu symptoms would be too afraid to seek medical care.

No, there haven’t. Worldwide there is one confirmation of 6 persons being infected by one dentist with AIDS over 30 years.

Yet another example of this poster’s assigned agenda to spread misinformation and discord.

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by landlock

What a newslfash, population density and public transport affect flu cases per capita. I think this discovery should be nominated for next year's Nobel prize.

Anyway, there was a video of folks infecting themselves with covid-flu in LA jails, to get released.

Well it certainly won't be you that is for sure.

Population density and public transit may not explain nearly as much as you think. Overly simplistic explanations won't cut it in a global pandemic.....too many other factors at play.

If they are such major drivers in per capita differences then why is San Francisco and the Bay Area in general seeing a lower case count and death rate? The bay area has a relatively high pop density and a greater per capita use of mass transit than Los Angeles County.

Many factors beyond pop density and mass transit use have to be considered: percent of households working from home (very high in tech in SF/Bay area), overall wealth/household incomes, the speed/date that shelter in place orders were issued, the proportion of households in nursing homes in an area, etc.