Flattening the curve is working! (Irvine, Corona: park, area, required)

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Restaurants are fully re-opening. In places like Los Angeles, where COVID-19 is everywhere, re-opening restaurant interiors for dining isn't going to save many jobs and it will damage people's health. The LA economy needs to be radically re-shaped, including bringing in jobs that are low-risk to public health.

We can start the reshaping by reducing this city's density -- tear down half the office buildings and apartment buildings, and make them public parks. And scrap the disease train (i.e. subway).

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Restaurants are fully re-opening. In places like Los Angeles, where COVID-19 is everywhere, re-opening restaurant interiors for dining isn't going to save many jobs and it will damage people's health. The LA economy needs to be radically re-shaped, including bringing in jobs that are low-risk to public health.

You have no idea what damage, if any, will be done to people’s health. The CDC already revised the mortality rate downward.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by oceangaia

The re-openings of states like Texas and Georgia was met with the same fearmongering a month ago, meanwhile cases and hospitalizations continue to drop. Maybe, just maybe, staying shut in isn't the most effective way to stop the spread?

And then there’s this:
Wisconsin Sees Coronavirus Spike 2 Weeks After Abrupt Reopening
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichola.../#5743e8f92a6b

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by oceangaia

The re-openings of states like Texas and Georgia was met with the same fearmongering a month ago, meanwhile cases and hospitalizations continue to drop.

A month after reopening, Georgia coronavirus cases continue slow and steady:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/us/ge...rus/index.html

CORONAVIRUS IN GEORGIA: More than 600 new cases confirmed in 24 hours, nearly 100 more hospitalized:
https://www.wjcl.com/article/coronav...ized/32710774#

839 New Virus Cases Reported in Texas as Reopening Continues:
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavi...inues/2375568/

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

A month after reopening, Georgia coronavirus cases continue slow and steady:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/us/ge...rus/index.html

CORONAVIRUS IN GEORGIA: More than 600 new cases confirmed in 24 hours, nearly 100 more hospitalized:
https://www.wjcl.com/article/coronav...ized/32710774#

839 New Virus Cases Reported in Texas as Reopening Continues:
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavi...inues/2375568/

And yet the mortality rate was lowered. Plus just throwing out numbers is meaningless without breakdown and context.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by Mike930

You have no idea what damage, if any, will be done to people’s health. The CDC already revised the mortality rate downward.

Plenty of people get sick without dying or even getting close to dying. Doesn't mean it's okay. You wouldn't want to get sick. Some restaurant-goers will be in for more than they think. My opinion is that isn't worth mild economic benefits (if that's not cancelled out by sick days and medical treatment) and LA should wise up and first further reduce the transmission rate and require more stringent testing for restaurant employees. Also, expand outdoor seating, which is much safer.

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Plenty of people get sick without dying or even getting close to dying. Doesn't mean it's okay. You wouldn't want to get sick. Some restaurant-goers will be in for more than they think. My opinion is that isn't worth mild economic benefits (if that's not cancelled out by sick days and medical treatment) and LA should wise up and first further reduce the transmission rate and require more stringent testing for restaurant employees. Also, expand outdoor seating, which is much safer.

Maybe the outdoor seating should be expanded, but the restaurants should open up even more. It’s an individual choice whether you want to go. With all the “experts” constantly changing their opinion, we don’t know what the truth is. Do you avoid all people during flu season?

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Mike930

And yet the mortality rate was lowered. Plus just throwing out numbers is meaningless without breakdown and context.

Right.

Originally Posted by Mike930

the CDC revised the mortality rate to 0.4%.

[looker009]

Originally Posted by Mike930

Maybe the outdoor seating should be expanded, but the restaurants should open up even more. It’s an individual choice whether you want to go. With all the “experts” constantly changing their opinion, we don’t know what the truth is. Do you avoid all people during flu season?

Exactly, experts are changing their mind and message so much that i am not sure that they even know what they are talking about.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by Mike930

Maybe the outdoor seating should be expanded, but the restaurants should open up even more. It’s an individual choice whether you want to go. With all the “experts” constantly changing their opinion, we don’t know what the truth is. Do you avoid all people during flu season?

"Individual choice" is almost meaningless when it's not informed choice. People don't realize how high-risk are enclosed spaces with possibly infected diners. Low risk for death but significant risk for illness. No, I don't avoid people during the flu season - there's a vaccine (plus Tamiflu)! Statements like that show you aren't 'arguing' in good faith.