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Old 10-10-2022, 02:06 PM
 
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Here's a reason:
many people were falsely claiming proper behavior
https://consumer.healthday.com/b-10-...658406237.html

 
Old 10-11-2022, 11:11 PM
 
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Here's a reason:
many people were falsely claiming proper behavior
https://consumer.healthday.com/b-10-...658406237.html
"proper behavior"

In a democracy, citizens get to elect representatives who work through the legislature to determine "proper behavior". Trigger warning: Never in our history has our democratic, legislative process led to the determination that the things you're referring to as "proper behavior" are actually "proper" or not. This is the part that you people never were willing to accept or acknowledge. You people loathe democracy when it produces the kinds of policies that you, personally, do not like.
 
Old 10-11-2022, 11:12 PM
 
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Here is much more on how deaths, particularly pediatric deaths, were dramatically over counted for a long time.

https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/376/bmj.o831.full.pdf
 
Old 10-12-2022, 12:56 AM
 
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"proper behavior"

In a democracy, citizens get to elect representatives who work through the legislature to determine "proper behavior". Trigger warning: Never in our history has our democratic, legislative process led to the determination that the things you're referring to as "proper behavior" are actually "proper" or not. This is the part that you people never were willing to accept or acknowledge. You people loathe democracy when it produces the kinds of policies that you, personally, do not like.
"You people" means rant that deserves to be ignored.

For the record, I believe in leadership by civic-minded elites, where only civic-minded, reasonably intelligent/educated citizens have a right to be heard. Which, minus the landowner thing, is an old-fashioned view of democracy probably shared by most proponents of "democracy" hundreds of years ago. What democracy sometimes is today is idiocracy, and it turns out local leaders seriously lack ethics. That being said, it's possible most people supported the restrictions (and more than a few, typically smart and caring types, still do) - many folks just felt like making exceptions for themselves.
 
Old 10-12-2022, 01:08 AM
 
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"proper behavior"

In a democracy, citizens get to elect representatives who work through the legislature to determine "proper behavior".
Actually, in a democracy, the majority can legally persecute a minority - or tax the snot out of them. It is a vile system.

America has a republican form (unless you consented to be governed by their socialist democrazy). Under the republican form, all men are created equal (none higher) with Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate nor trespass. Absent consent, servant governments are limited to adjudicating disputes, prosecuting criminals, and defending against all enemies, foreign or domestic.

Ah, but if you consent to be part of "their" democrazy, all bets are off. Remember, mandatory civic duties abrogate all endowed rights. (Ex: Militia duty - the obligation to train, fight, and die on command - is an obvious abrogation of one's right to life and liberty.)
In short, shut up, sit down, pay and obey.
And if your "sovereign" government dictates "social spacing" "face diapers" and "isolation" - well - that's what you consented to.
 
Old 10-12-2022, 06:06 AM
 
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No. I followed the CDC guidelines for a long time, then like most people who did the same, just gave up because 50% of the population wasn't following them. I first got Covid-19 last November or December, wearing a mask and doing Christmas shopping at Century City. I don't wear the mask anymore.

My point was that, if EVERYBODY followed the guidelines INITIALLY, and travel was seriously restricted, we may have had a chance of letting Covid-19 die out, and not have and endless stream of variants. Which one are we on now, the Sigma 8675-309 variant? I give up...
Viruses mutate, and unless you completely quarantined every human on the planet for as long as it would take to defeat the virus (weeks? Months? Years?) it would not have died out. Unless, by doing so, you killed off the hosts thanks to starvation, suicide and domestic violence.

And if we had seriously restricted travel, and followed the guidelines, we would have had far more cases of mental illness, teen suicide, drug use and all of the other ramifications of this horrific and cruel lockdown. More kids would be behind in learning, more homes would have foreclosed, more businesses shut down.

And think of poor Fauci. How would he have have increased his wealth by $5 million, if not for those "guidelines".
 
Old 10-12-2022, 07:49 AM
 
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Here is much more on how deaths, particularly pediatric deaths, were dramatically over counted for a long time.
BMJ (British Medical Journal) is a medical publication that allows anyone--readers, authors, patients--to comment.
 
Old 10-12-2022, 07:54 AM
 
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Never in our history has our democratic, legislative process led to the determination that the things you're referring to
You overlooked the 1918 Spanish flu.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2862329/
 
Old 10-12-2022, 07:58 AM
 
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think of poor Fauci. How would he have have increased his wealth by $5 million, if not for those "guidelines".
"The country’s top infectious disease expert is discouraging the use of a potential COVID-19 treatment because he could earn millions of dollars from a vaccine, at least, that’s according to a popular Facebook claim."

https://www.statesman.com/story/news...ine/984125007/

Facebook posts falsely claim Dr. Fauci has millions invested in a coronavirus vaccine:
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...-has-millions/
 
Old 10-12-2022, 10:20 AM
 
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Viruses mutate, and unless you completely quarantined every human on the planet for as long as it would take to defeat the virus (weeks? Months? Years?) it would not have died out. Unless, by doing so, you killed off the hosts thanks to starvation, suicide and domestic violence.

And if we had seriously restricted travel, and followed the guidelines, we would have had far more cases of mental illness, teen suicide, drug use and all of the other ramifications of this horrific and cruel lockdown. More kids would be behind in learning, more homes would have foreclosed, more businesses shut down.

And think of poor Fauci. How would he have have increased his wealth by $5 million, if not for those "guidelines".
Lockdown didn't increase the suicide rate in any age group, taking into account overall years-long rising trends.

Meaningful restrictions on travel and following guidelines for maybe a few years to come remain the magic bullets for ending the pandemic, which would be much better for society in almost every long-term way than letting the virus choke the economy and erode public health. It might be over by now if that plan had ever been enforced adequately and not been abandoned for overhyped vaccines.
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