Why so many covid 19 cases and deaths in LA County (military, safer)

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

That's conflating government, the media and public health, when I was talking more about individual doctors or at least messages coming directly from them.

Too many health renegades in many places, including LA. If in doubt, go to a real doctor whose practice involves treating infection-related problems and ask. Don't shrug it off as hysteria until it hits close to home.

Well, if you're referring to things doctors tell patients within the privacy of the patient-client relationship, I confess I'm not able to comment on that. But, if you're talking about health officials and doctors that sought out and acquired a platform in the media and/or social media, it's a different story. We can find a long list of supposed doctors who made big names for themselves on legacy and social media through incessant panic porn and fear-mongering. We had the director of the CDC crying on national television in 2021, stating that she was terrified with this sense of impending doom. We've had Anthony Fauci concede that he alters messages and predictions based on what he thinks the public is ready to hear. We've seen Op-Eds in publications such as the NYT openly arguing about the importance of scaring the public (so as to motivate the public to act more cautiously).

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by skyway31

W We had the director of the CDC crying on national television in 2021, stating that she was terrified with this sense of impending doom.

Maybe you should watch the entire clip so you could get your story straight. It was March of 2021. Many people were not yet eligible for the vaccinations.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/20...px.white-house

Originally Posted by skyway31

We've had Anthony Fauci concede that he alters messages and predictions based on what he thinks the public is ready to hear.

You really have it in for some of these people. When did he ever "concede that he alters messages"?

"Please go back and look at my words."

https://www.science.org/content/arti...g-sit-my-house

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Maybe you should watch the entire clip so you could get your story straight. It was March of 2021. Many people were not yet eligible for the vaccinations.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/20...px.white-house



You really have it in for some of these people. When did he ever "concede that he alters messages"?

"Please go back and look at my words."

https://www.science.org/content/arti...g-sit-my-house

You can learn some things here. https://slate.com/technology/2021/07...cdc-masks.html

*Now, again, I understand that you likely feel these "noble lies" are perfectly fine, given that they come from "civic-minded elites". Perhaps the rationale is that people like me are simply too stupid to be given the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

[goodheathen]

Most people in the USA are too stupid and selfish to readily follow public health guidance. Los Angeles is very typical in that sense. San Francisco is an exception, due to a rather smart workforce and maybe the AIDS history there.

Noble lies tend to blow up, noble vagueness might work a little, and the former only was rather evidently applied to face masks, not the danger level of the virus itself. It has almost universally been depicted by the medical community as dangerous and something to avoid, because it is. Some people (stupid/selfish) have eagerly bought into claims otherwise, often from the Internet, acquaintances, or toxic public figures (some of them politicians).

While Ferrer will make statements, Los Angeles government with actual power to back her up and bypass many uncooperative residents is a joke compared to typical tough big-city leadership and won't do so, and it of course can't block flights into the county. Be adequately vaccinated, don't do risky behaviors, and hope that's enough.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by skyway31

You can learn some things here. https://slate.com/technology/2021/07...cdc-masks.html

Are you serious? An article about masks from Slate magazine? "We believe the evidence at the time of Fauci’s 60 Minutes interview was largely similar to that in April 2020." The writers can believe whatever they want.

[DabOnEm]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Are you serious? An article about masks from Slate magazine? "We believe the evidence at the time of Fauci’s 60 Minutes interview was largely similar to that in April 2020." The writers can believe whatever they want.

which part of the slate article was incorrect?

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by skyway31

I understand that you likely feel these "noble lies" are perfectly fine, given that they come from "civic-minded elites".

Please don't twist my words.

Originally Posted by skyway31

Perhaps the rationale is that people like me are simply too stupid to be given the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

And please stop making false accusations.

‘Fauci lied:’ How misunderstanding about science and public health has helped fuel false claims:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2...-about-scienc/

[goodheathen]

LA's pro-COVID overcrowding detailed to an extreme
https://www.yahoo.com/news/l-love-sp...120055651.html
Which has a rather easy solution, but LA is too 'nice' to address illegal immigration

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Are you serious? An article about masks from Slate magazine? "We believe the evidence at the time of Fauci’s 60 Minutes interview was largely similar to that in April 2020." The writers can believe whatever they want.

The article has plenty of links to primary sources. It's not just writer opinions.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by skyway31

Things presented as "fact" or "The Science" were, actually, opinions/guesses/judgement calls. Stating something is "fact" or "the science" when it is actually only one current hypothesis is, itself, a lie.

You believe what you want. Once again, if I actually believed that the Chief Medical Advisor to the current and past six U.S. Presidents has been in his job just to take advantage of people and destroy their livelihoods, I'd probably be angry, too.