Why so many covid 19 cases and deaths in LA County (San Diego: quality of life, delivery)

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Los Angeles is supposed to have some of the country's best administrators. This situation has hardly improved in months, long after the initial shock. It's time to fire people.

Is Barbara Ferrer one of them? Hard to tell.

Two key indicators — the positivity rate and average number of daily hospitalizations — have continued to remain relatively steady, while average daily deaths have declined, L.A. officials said. It is always possible these numbers could start going up, either from spread from reopening businesses, from recent protests over the police killing of George Floyd or other reasons. Officials said they are monitoring the metrics closely and could impose new restrictions if needed.

The most important data continues to be looking at our death data and our hospitalization data and our rate of positivity, and ... all of the indicators really point to the fact that we are fairly stable and that we in fact continue to slow the spread of COVID-19,” Barbara Ferrer, the county’s health director, said...

Alarmed by spiking coronavirus numbers? Here’s why officials insist they aren’t worried:
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...-arent-worried

[dtran103]

It’s not time to fire people. At least not for this reason. Administrators can only do so much when there are so many jerks in LA. The general public in LA knows what they’re supposed to do. They’re just not doing it. And you SEE them not doing it and they don’t care. It’s night and day between bay area and southern california. SoCal is so much less compliant. But I also think it’s because people overestimate how liberal LA is. There are a lot of Trump supporters willing to die on this hill about masks being against freedom.

[V8 Vega]

Im isolating not because I want to, but because there is no place to go. I believe the whole thing is ridiculously overblown. and at a horrific cost with the whole economy shut down. Previous flues that a lot of people got, no shutdown, no media constant promoting, no mass everybody willingly giving up our freedom and liberty.

[goodheathen]

It isn't, in scientific terms, a flu. Many of us are fed up with your false claims.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by dtran103

It’s not time to fire people. At least not for this reason. Administrators can only do so much when there are so many jerks in LA. The general public in LA knows what they’re supposed to do. They’re just not doing it. And you SEE them not doing it and they don’t care. It’s night and day between bay area and southern california. SoCal is so much less compliant. But I also think it’s because people overestimate how liberal LA is. There are a lot of Trump supporters willing to die on this hill about masks being against freedom.

I agree enough about the local public, but people aren't substantially different elsewhere. They do what they can get away with.

Los Angeles officials let things happen. Bars reopening when things are this bad. That's crazy. The mayor of New York City is threatening to close some businesses just for having crowds waiting outside. Also, testing not being done of LA nursing home employees until long after it was promised, and I don't know if it is mandatory for all public-facing employees to be screened for COVID-19. The county didn't even volunteer news of outbreaks at grocery stores and infection at the airport so that the public would know to be very careful. Where are the stories of patients with active infections going out and getting in legal trouble for it? Nowhere, because the government isn't enforcing self-quarantine.

Wake up, and demand more of the people who work for us.

[ohio_peasant]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Wake up, and demand more of the people who work for us.

We can simultaneously "wake up", and yet demand diametrically the opposite thing from "the people who work for us".

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by ohio_peasant

We can simultaneously "wake up", and yet demand diametrically the opposite thing from "the people who work for us".

So what are you suggesting they do for us, ohio?

[JohnG72]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

I agree enough about the local public, but people aren't substantially different elsewhere. They do what they can get away with.

Los Angeles officials let things happen. Bars reopening when things are this bad. That's crazy. The mayor of New York City is threatening to close some businesses just for having crowds waiting outside. Also, testing not being done of LA nursing home employees until long after it was promised, and I don't know if it is mandatory for all public-facing employees to be screened for COVID-19. The county didn't even volunteer news of outbreaks at grocery stores and infection at the airport so that the public would know to be very careful. Where are the stories of patients with active infections going out and getting in legal trouble for it? Nowhere, because the government isn't enforcing self-quarantine.

Wake up, and demand more of the people who work for us.

You are borderline hysterical without a solid factual backing for it.

First off, anyone in LA County that wants to be tested can be. It’s been that way for a month or more.

Now the fact is that the shutdown was only to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed.

It wasn’t explicitly stated, but there’s no actual way to prevent people from becoming infected. Literally shutting down everything and quarantining people indefinitely won’t end the spread of Covid 19. So get used to the idea that you are likely to eventually get Covid 19 and you most likely won’t even know it.

So we are where we are right now. Keep in mind that grocery stores, ware houses, food and goods manufacturing, police, fire, hospitals, and probably a ton of other stuff, have been operating this entire time. Yet most of those didn’t shut down from a rash of infections. Because most of the time it doesn’t just spread like wildfire.

[ohio_peasant]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

So what are you suggesting they do for us, ohio?

Since you ask, I'm not suggesting that "they" do anything. If individuals choose to take preventative measures themselves, such as limiting contact and/or wearing masks, by all means, they're free to pursue that. I also support the encouragement of better personal hygiene, such as frequent hand-washing. This is [literally] salubrious. On the other hand, I wince and groan at continued restrictions such as the nearly universal (or is it outright universal?) closure of gyms.

As a philosophical matter, I prefer a modest and hands-off government, that does little, either to protect or to corral. And before we descend into barbs about red state vs. blue, Heartland vs. Coastal, do please note that my former state of Ohio was nearly as aggressive in its closures and mandates, as was California.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by JohnG72

Keep in mind that grocery stores, ware houses, food and goods manufacturing, police, fire, hospitals, and probably a ton of other stuff, have been operating this entire time. Yet most of those didn’t shut down from a rash of infections.

They remained open because they happened to be essential businesses.