Why so many covid 19 cases and deaths in LA County (Los Angeles: appointed, best)

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by skyway31

My point remains: By telling fully vaccinated people they are not safe to celebrate the New Year in entirely typical, traditional settings, Fauci wages by far the most effective anti-vaccination campaign of all. His perverse desire to keep everyone maximally terrified at all times is at odds with his desire to increase vaccinations. The anti-vaxx crowd, stupid as they are, simply shakes their head in disbelief and laughs hysterically at how stupid Fauci's approach is. The whole thing is one gigantic clown show.

Meawhile, calls continue to grow louder to stop this fixation on cases. Ashish Jha is just the latest to call for an end to the insanity: https://kfor.com/news/health-expert-...c-of-pandemic/

I give Fauci some slack. He has the single most difficult job on earth right now. Hes trying to talk to many different groups of people by saying the same thing which isnt effective, but its all he can do.

That said, you are exactly right about the perception of telling people they cant live live if they are vaccinated. It makes it seem as though it doesnt matter what we do, were still stuck with restrictions. That isnt going to motivate anyone to do anything.

I also agree that its better to listen to people like Drs. Ashish Jha, Monica Ghandi, and John Campbell. Their approach is much more data centric and less political and rhetorical. I agree case counts are next to useless right now.

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by ThinkingOutsideTheBox

But remember how thousands of BLM protesters were able to congregate in summer of 2020 without spreading a single Covid case well before the vaccines were approved? And how the mayor wholeheartedly endorsed the protests? But still insisted that gatherings and businesses were the problem. Here’s the only solution to the virus:

Since there will always be variants and break through cases, let’s just put every law abiding person in solidarity confinement in government cells for the rest of their lives with food and internet to work from home. Even break up married couples and families with minors under 18 allowed to stay with one parent. Once they turn 18, they will go into their own solitary confinement cell. Single people will be allowed to date through zoom but never meet anyone in person again: all sex will be “virtual”. Only allow rioters and looters to roam freely. That will surely end Covid.

That seems to be the logical progression here. Which really is terrifying.

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

I give Fauci some slack. He has the single most difficult job on earth right now. Hes trying to talk to many different groups of people by saying the same thing which isnt effective, but its all he can do.

That said, you are exactly right about the perception of telling people they cant live live if they are vaccinated. It makes it seem as though it doesnt matter what we do, were still stuck with restrictions. That isnt going to motivate anyone to do anything.

I also agree that its better to listen to people like Drs. Ashish Jha, Monica Ghandi, and John Campbell. Their approach is much more data centric and less political and rhetorical.

The famous saying "absolute power corrupts absolutely" is relevant here. The verb corrupt indicates an action happening. Meaning, in this case, Fauci may not at all have been corrupt for the last several decades of his career, but once he realized a level of power completely unprecedented in American history, he's a changed man. The last ~22 months have had a profound impact on him, just as they have for all of us. It's time for him to pass the baton. And it's time for public health directors to take a few steps back. Observe, advise, but quit trying to subvert democracy in pursuit of utopian ideals of "equity".

[skyway31]

We are on very shaky, dangerous ground right now. We have people taking opposing sides to this issue, and they have become deeply, overwhelmingly tribal. They are profoundly entrenched in their positions, and they are done. They will NEVER change their mind, having made the very act of changing their mind to be the single worst thing they can do. One tribe refuses to ever get a vaccine ever again. The other tribe never wants to relent on society-wide disciplinary measures first implemented in spring of 2020. Neither tribe is willing to adjust to new information as it becomes available.

[goodheathen]

First of all, fully vaccinated is a very temporary state, and I'd say less than 25% people in LA qualify as such right now. To the extent that fully vaccinated people are safe, they still evidently spread it around, probably a little less, to any weak links (unvaccinated, poor immune function, and so on). That includes the more dangerous Delta (which Fauci doesn't say is going away). Vaccines aren't a failure on the whole, but at least in infection control vs. Omicron, they are.

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

First of all, fully vaccinated is a very temporary state, and I'd say less than 25% people in LA qualify as such right now. To the extent that fully vaccinated people are safe, they still evidently spread it around, probably a little less, to any weak links (unvaccinated, poor immune function, and so on). That includes the more dangerous Delta (which Fauci doesn't say is going away). Vaccines aren't a failure on the whole, but at least in infection control vs. Omicron, they are.

Oh well.

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

First of all, fully vaccinated is a very temporary state, and I'd say less than 25% people in LA qualify as such right now. To the extent that fully vaccinated people are safe, they still evidently spread it around, probably a little less, to any weak links (unvaccinated, poor immune function, and so on). That includes the more dangerous Delta (which Fauci doesn't say is going away). Vaccines aren't a failure on the whole, but at least in infection control vs. Omicron, they are.

Fauci made it clear he was referring to those both vaccinated and boosted. So, even those with three shots are, according to him, not safe. Now, perhaps you’re arguing that the true correct number of shots is seventeen, idk. But, Fauci did not stipulate any number of shots whereby one would be safe. The message received by many from that is that the vaccines are worthless. And that’s a total failure of messaging. Time for him to retire.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

I give Fauci some slack. He has the single most difficult job on earth right now. Hes trying to talk to many different groups of people by saying the same thing which isnt effective, but its all he can do.

That said, you are exactly right about the perception of telling people they cant live live if they are vaccinated. It makes it seem as though it doesnt matter what we do, were still stuck with restrictions. That isnt going to motivate anyone to do anything.

I also agree that its better to listen to people like Drs. Ashish Jha, Monica Ghandi, and John Campbell. Their approach is much more data centric and less political and rhetorical. I agree case counts are next to useless right now.

We're struck with restrictions until more people vaccinated, probably with more effective vaccines, and people willing to adjust their lifestyles to be less social (in frequency and scope). (The medical profession is one sector that likely will have restrictions forever.) People in Los Angeles have so far shown little willingness to adjust on lifestyle. The residential crowding also might need to lessen significantly, and for better or worse (sometimes by death) the COVID situation is beginning to affect that.

[ThinkingOutsideTheBox]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

We're struck with restrictions until more people vaccinated, probably with more effective vaccines, and people willing to adjust their lifestyles to be less social (in frequency and scope). (The medical profession is one sector that likely will have restrictions forever.) People in Los Angeles have so far shown little willingness to adjust on lifestyle. The residential crowding also might need to lessen significantly, and for better or worse (sometimes by death) the COVID situation is beginning to affect that.

Socialization is a basic human need and you can't force law abiding singles into years of solitary confinement to try to contain a virus that has a 99 percent survival rate for the generation population and a 99.99 percent survival rate for those under 40. Do you want the law abiding class to go into extinction from isolation?

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

We're struck with restrictions until more people vaccinated, probably with more effective vaccines, and people willing to adjust their lifestyles to be less social (in frequency and scope). (The medical profession is one sector that likely will have restrictions forever.) People in Los Angeles have so far shown little willingness to adjust on lifestyle. The residential crowding also might need to lessen significantly, and for better or worse (sometimes by death) the COVID situation is beginning to affect that.

1) No, we arent.

2) No vaccinated, law abiding person needs to adjust anything.

3) Human contact is a NEED, not something that is optional. All calls to eliminate it need to be ignored and openly defied.