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Old 05-25-2020, 11:01 AM
 
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The trouble with "performance-based" metrics, is that if performance remains poor, then the metric is never satisfied, and the shutdown remains indefinite. Let's consider this scenario: suppose that the daily count of new coronavirus deaths in LA county never falls. At all. It remains at some number; call it 50/day. This would mean that, on account of 50 daily deaths, Los Angeles never opens-up. Is that a reasonable policy?

The advantage of a calendar-driven schedule, vs. a performance-driven schedule, is that it forces us to become inured to death. We ultimately say: "You know what? We just don't care anymore. We're sick of caring! If it can't be helped, that people are going to die, well then, people are just going to have to die. Life simply has to continue for the remainder - until of course it no longer does".

 
Old 05-25-2020, 11:02 AM
 
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A good insult can be fun, eh? Problem is: such needs to be based on a specific example - or else the insult just appears, well, stupid. With this in mind, why don’t you give an example of where and how you feel I [think like a child] in regard to this topic / or my post you are referencing? Then we can discuss whether your insult has merit.
How about your puerile taunts about Russian trolls? Does that qualify?
 
Old 05-25-2020, 11:06 AM
 
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I am also a layman but the last I heard was County officials were targeting a July 4th reopening assuming the data/science are in alignment. That isn't indefinite.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...us-cases-study
With all due respect, Astral, until it's specific it's "indefinite"

Literally, it's not defined

 
Old 05-25-2020, 11:09 AM
 
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then they should say as much and quit making people feel like they are intentionally dragging it out, which is how it is starting to feel

And this is apolitical. I know even my most liberal friends are starting to lose it.

IOW our leaders are not leading but playing it by ear

they don't get paid to play it by ear

They get paid to be smarter than us and better informed and, as it turns out, we knew they were full of it early on when they were saying two weeks

If I know as much as them, there is no need for them
Ah well, this laundry list of yours is pretty much par for the course of governance and reacting to governance throughout all history of civilization. Societies any larger than hunter-gatherer troops and clans require ever larger management and infra-structuring ... which in turn becomes more and more frustrating for the worker bees to labor under.

Crises of course amplify the ever-simmering eternal frustrations.

There’s no real answer to any of this dichotomy of what people feel they know better and the leadership tasked with actually knowing better ... you know ... right?
 
Old 05-25-2020, 11:10 AM
 
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mandating stay at home orders indefinitely
lol, that's it? No other Mayor has that power?
 
Old 05-25-2020, 11:15 AM
 
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Ah well, this laundry list of yours is pretty much par for the course of governance and reacting to governance throughout all history of civilization. Societies any larger than hunter-gatherer troops and clans require ever larger management and infra-structuring ... which in turn becomes more and more frustrating for the worker bees to labor under.

Crises of course amplify the ever-simmering eternal frustrations.

There’s no real answer to any of this dichotomy of what people feel they know better and the leadership tasked with actually knowing better ... you know ... right?
he he

 
Old 05-25-2020, 11:18 AM
 
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lol, that's it? No other Mayor has that power?
not about other mayors or mayoralty in general

It's about does Mayor Garcetti have that power?

I say no. He can't impose ad hoc rules with no definite timeline, changing them as he goes, and remain within the confines of his authority from a legal and constitutional perspective
 
Old 05-25-2020, 11:19 AM
 
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A good insult can be fun, eh? Problem is: such needs to be based on a specific example - or else the insult just appears, well, stupid. With this in mind, why don’t you give an example of where and how you feel I [think like a child] in regard to this topic / or my post you are referencing? Then we can discuss whether your insult has merit.
That wasn't meant to be an insult just a suggestion. Instead of taking everything you hear on your news outlet as truth, look around for yourself and see if it ads up?
Why are grocery store employees not dropping like flys? The first month or so they didn't wear mask and they seem to be doing fine.
 
Old 05-25-2020, 11:32 AM
 
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How about your puerile taunts about Russian trolls? Does that qualify?
No, it doesn’t qualify. Firstly, my observations about foreign trolling on this forum are based on very intense proofs of just such activities in all forms of social media.

Quote:
Trolls and bots are flooding social media with disinformation encouraging states to end quarantine

An analysis from Bot Sentinel, a bot tracking platform, found that bots and trolls have been stoking sentiments online that have fueled the protests, using hashtags like #ReopenAmericaNow and #StopTheMadness.

Online disinformation seemingly used to stoke political tension in the US has been frequently reported on since the 2016 election when Russian actors used bots and active trolling to support Donald Trump, organize events, and spread political memes.

Brooke Binkowski, managing editor of the fact-checking website Truth or Fiction, says that reporters need to do a better job of reporting on the protests in the context of the disinformation.

... Christopher Bouzy, the founder of bot tracking platform Bot Sentinel, conducted a Twitter analysis for Business Insider and found bots and trolls are using hashtags like #ReOpenNC, #ReopenAmericaNow, #StopTheMadness, #ENDTHESHUTDOWN, and #OperationGridlock to spread disinformation. According to Bouzy, the bots and trolls are spreading conspiracy theories about Democrats wanting to hurt the economy to make Trump look bad, Democrats trying to take away people's civil liberties, and Democrats trying to prevent people from voting. The accounts are also using false data to underplay the threat of the coronavirus...
"Inauthentic accounts are amplifying disinformation and inaccurate statistics and sharing false information as a reason to reopen the country," Bouzy says. "Many of these accounts are also spreading bizarre conspiracy theories about Democrats using COVID-19 as a way to take away American freedoms and prevent Americans from voting."

... Bouzy says the amount of inauthentic activity he's seeing surrounding the COVID-19 outbreak "eclipses" anything he's ever observed before. ...

https://www.businessinsider.com/trol...rmation-2020-4
https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...ference-2020-4

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-ru...dercut-ukraine

https://www.theeagle.com/opinion/col...2761ece37.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/securit...-warn-n1145331



And secondly because several “members” I have identified have been exiled from the forums. Do you think that is unrelated? Coincidence? Or possibly evidence that others in management have determined problems were rightfully identified?

Third, your example doesn’t relate to anything I’ve contributed to this thread.

So, three strikes: you’re out.
 
Old 05-25-2020, 11:45 AM
 
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The trouble with "performance-based" metrics, is that if performance remains poor, then the metric is never satisfied, and the shutdown remains indefinite. Let's consider this scenario: suppose that the daily count of new coronavirus deaths in LA county never falls. At all. It remains at some number; call it 50/day. This would mean that, on account of 50 daily deaths, Los Angeles never opens-up. Is that a reasonable policy?

The advantage of a calendar-driven schedule, vs. a performance-driven schedule, is that it forces us to become inured to death. We ultimately say: "You know what? We just don't care anymore. We're sick of caring! If it can't be helped, that people are going to die, well then, people are just going to have to die. Life simply has to continue for the remainder - until of course it no longer does".
This is about the weakest attempt at justification of anything I have read in quite a while on any forum. And man that’s saying a lot. Lmfao.

Trying to obviate performance from any metric is just hilariously dumb.

But to the specific of your example: IF a metric is “never satisfied” (... wait for it ...) it’s not a valid metric. (Duh.)

If a metric can be shown to be invalid, then it can be and should be rightfully challenged.

Bubba, you’re just not anywhere near as good at logical reasoning / debate as you are with dredging up exotic vocabulary. (I VERY much enjoyed your trotting out “traduce” some posts back. Good one! Not sure I have ever heard it used conversationally - as you say you speak just as you write - though I have, rarely, come across it in print.)
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