New Stay at Home Orders May Be Coming (Arnold: groceries, legally)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Dport185

Um no then China wouldn't gotten sick. Asian people always wear masks and still got sick

Um, no they don’t.

[Dport185]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

I wish this site would remove posts that are deliberate misinformation.

You mean like you?

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by JustMike77

With 82% of deaths being in the over 65 age group, I think we can take a more measured approach than a complete lockdown. Being 68 I'm very conscious of my behavior, but I'm still appraising homes every day. I wear a mask & gloves and socially distance at all times. I don't think enough attention has been paid to the absolutely devastating long term economic effects on the millions of low risk workers who have been thrown out of work. Many will simply never get out of that hole. It would be easy for people like myself to advocate for a lockdown, all it means to me is better traffic. But I think we have to pay more attention to the psychological and economic effects on workers. Depression & anxiety are spiking significantly. COVID isn't the only thing that can kill you.

The bolded is not being sufficiently addressed by the media. We know that mass unemployment and isolation kill people. And if you think it's just Republicans saying that, you'd be wrong. Robert Kennedy Jr. (definitely a Democrat and not a Trump supporter) gave an interview here where he said just that starting at 46:58

Everybody's saying "Listen to the scientists". But there's a flaw there, which is the scientists can tell you--maybe can model...how many people are going to die from coronavirus using different scenarios...You know, if we all go back to work tomorrow, here's how many people are going to die. If we all stay locked up for 6 months, here's how many people...And they can do that probably pretty well.....

....But there's something that's not being modeled here, which is something those scientists have no expertise on. How many people are being killed by the quarantine? There's really good data--and it's solid from dozens and dozens of studies--that show that, number one, isolation kills lots of people. It kills people from depression. It kills people from mistakes. It kills people from not getting routine medical care. It kills people in a lot of different ways. But also, unemployment kills people. There's a really good 1982 book that's considered authoritative and that book did all of the modeling on historical unemployment rates...What they found is that for every point [increase] in unemployment 37,000 people died. About 9,000 people died from heart attacks. 900 people died from suicides...all these different reasons that they die. And then 3000-3300 people go to prison (for every one point). And an extra 4,000 people end up in mental institutions.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLi6ZrFp6vQ&t=56s

[Finper]

Rioting in LA again tonight...... How dumb can you people get???

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

The bolded is not being sufficiently addressed by the media.... <snip >

Apparently you think the media is a public service with an obligation to inform. It isn’t. With the exception of the few public media, such as NPR / PBS, mainstream media is an entertainment business ... and other media is special interest advocacy.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Finper

Rioting in LA again tonight...... How dumb can you people get???

10,000,000 people in LA county. How many are rioting, Finper?

The question is now: how dumb is it for someone to conflate the actions of several hundred with the stability of 9,999,400?

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

Not at the Trader Joe's on Wilshire in SM last Tuesday -- everybody did an excellent job of social distancing despite it being a generally busy time. And not at the CVS on Wilshire in SM last night.

So then, survey says:



And Richard Dawson says good-bye and thanks for playing...

At the local vons the lines go down every aisle and people are shopping those same aisles literally rubbing up against someone to reach the shelf. Let's not pretend people aren't still having to be close to one another in stores. Only Costco has aisle width needed to stay fairly distant.

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

At the local vons the lines go down every aisle and people are shopping those same aisles literally rubbing up against someone to reach the shelf. Let's not pretend people aren't still having to be close to one another in stores. Only Costco has aisle width needed to stay fairly distant.

I never see that at my local Smart and Final, which I visit once a week. And when I was at Ace Hardware last week I didn't see that either. Interesting that your local Vons has people rubbing up against each other, because even before the pandemic, I never saw such behavior at the Vons on Wilshire in SM...perhaps you should switch stores.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

I never see that at my local Smart and Final, which I visit once a week. And when I was at Ace Hardware last week I didn't see that either. Interesting that your local Vons has people rubbing up against each other, because even before the pandemic, I never saw such behavior at the Vons on Wilshire in SM...perhaps you should switch stores.

I don't go in. This is from pics and first hands on nextdoor.

Fart and smile did well from what I hear except for the beer aisle that happened to be the aisle they decided to use to herd the sheep. So anyone on a booze run had to get into someone's grill just to reach it.

I'm a prepper so I still have months worth of food and I also use butcher box to top off my supply of wild game in the freezer.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

I don't go in. This is from pics and first hands on nextdoor.

Well, no wonder. (Lots of hysteria and hyperbole on that website.) No Vons around here fits that description.