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Old 05-10-2008, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA/São Paulo, Brazil
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I wish people would stop equating what's happening in one part of California as being the case for the entire state.

Even within Southern CA, there's a vast spectrum of growth from slow to brisk.
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA/São Paulo, Brazil
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Nothing but good comments. I think teachers are really important and do good things. That being said I've never seen a bigger bunch of winers than teachers.
What do you expect? We send millions of dysfunctional, spoiled, rude brats to school and expect our teachers to work miracles.

Im sorry,
but at least half the problem with our schools is what happens at home. Or in many cases, what doesnt happen at home.
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Sunny L.A.
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Well just to add my 2 cents, I am a city planner here and oh ya a reserve police officer who makes 1 dollar a year to work at least once a week in South Central....I have a college degree in fact I also have a Ph.D., and I know many officers and deputies who have at least a 4 year degree. The days of promoting within police agencies without a college degree are pretty much over.

Now, I am so over L.A., I am looking to go down south (thinking Memphis)somewhre where people are freindly, your not stuck in traffic all day, and your money goes a lot farther. heck, you could make 45k a year and buy a house in a decent area....L.A. in my opinon is becoming more polarized, the attitudes are getting worse, and as the other poster said, the middle class is disappearing... and I hope you don't think the planning department is gonna change anything. The developers run this city!
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Old 05-10-2008, 11:02 AM
 
Location: So Cal
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What do you expect? We send millions of dysfunctional, spoiled, rude brats to school and expect our teachers to work miracles.

Im sorry,
but at least half the problem with our schools is what happens at home. Or in many cases, what doesnt happen at home.
I do agree with you about the home envirronment. Nobody seems to be concerned with the welfare of kids. Mom and Dad are too busy with work. I think alot of people could sacrafice "things" and have on parent home with the children. It seems like people are too busy trying to keep up with the Joneses.
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Old 05-10-2008, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Well just to add my 2 cents, I am a city planner here and oh ya a reserve police officer who makes 1 dollar a year to work at least once a week in South Central....I have a college degree in fact I also have a Ph.D., and I know many officers and deputies who have at least a 4 year degree. The days of promoting within police agencies without a college degree are pretty much over.
Great post! Only some big cities DON'T require college. However, you will need college to promote pretty much everywhere. It's annoying when people think they are uneducated.

You are a prime example of what I'm talking about. You aren't a career police officer, but still. You have a PhD. Over here in Milwaukee, 5 guys on Milwaukee Fire Department are lawyers with PhDs. One guy in a suburb of Milwaukee that I know took a $65,000 paycut to become a firefighter. Most of these people are underpaid, but they don't complain about the money. They do it because they love the job.


PhDnMe... Even though I don't live in LA, thanks for being someone to work in that type of a city for pretty much nothing. You know that it's definitely not a job to take for the money.
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Old 05-10-2008, 02:08 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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I've live here since 1976 and this is not the same California I moved to many years ago. What is wrong with this state is the socialist politicians in Sacramento who are nothing but a bunch of crooks. They spend spend spend and they sure don't represent me or my views. ... ... ...
It's a lot of reasons (why what's happening is bad).

1. Our government has gotten really crazy, anti-business, and tied up present businesses with endless regulations and reporting, to the degree that it's difficult to run a small business without spending much of your time doing paperwork to satisfy the state. They've also taxed many of our previously profitable and growing industries to the degree that they've left the state. Keep in mind that our jobs left the state too. California is just business unfriendly. Many have heard that shows like "Ugly Betty" are leaving for New York because NY gives their production 3x the incentives as California. Our government is not business friendly.

2. Our population is growing. I recall the San Fernando Valley of the '50s with orange groves and corn fields. Traffic was virtually unheard of. There were wide open spaces. Today most of the groves and fields are gone, subdivided and apartments and tract houses were built. Traffic is *INSANE* !!! It's not as nice a place to live as it used to be. Los Angeles is getting to be a very crowded place.

3. The illegal immigration problem too is getting insane. It could be as many as 1 in 10 of our residents are here illegally. Many of them drive unlicensed, with unregistered uninsured vehicles. Many have few skills and have deprived our poorest segment of legal residents of their unskilled jobs, including students and youths. You look in any fast food place and tell me who works there. Not college and high school kids, or at least not very many of them. Many of the illegals work day labor and work off the books, not paying their fair share of taxes. The illegals don't have health insurance and often don't get the care they need at doctors offices so they take their medical problems to our emergency rooms where hospitals cannot turn them away even if they can't pay. Our hospitals are going bankrupt and closing down as a result. Well I don't want to dwell on illegals because that's a thread of it's own. Needless to say, you can't have 1 in 10 of our population illegal without it affecting the character and quality of our lives.

4. I already said traffic is getting insane but think about this. Virtually all of our land has been built up. All available land is already houses and apartments and businesses and factories and roads etc. and no free area. There isn't even any room to widen streets in many places, let alone to build more streets or freeways, or build expressways like San Jose has. We have just about all the streets and freeways we'll ever have because there's no room for more. Yet our population keeps increasing and those new residents along with the rest of us all want cars. That means there more cars on the road and more cars create more traffic. Remember when rush hour was an HOUR? Well now rush hour is in some places 5 a.m. to 9 a.m., 4 p.m to 7 p.m. And try to get anywhere on surface streets at those hours (or at lunch). The surface traffic at those times may be manageable but it's very slow and it's a real chore to get anywhere. Our Los Angeles traffic is turning into a nightmare hell.

5. Back in the early '70s our smog problem peaked, with some days having visibility as short as 100 feet. I recall working one building north of the Ventura Freeway at Van Nuys Blvd., 100 feet away from the freeway, and not being able to see the freeway! Laws were enacted and cars got emissions controls and the quality of the air dramatically improved. In spite of later improvements in pollution controls and gasoline reformulations the numbers of cars and trucks have increased to such a degree that with the same amount of air but increased fuel being combusted, once again our air quality is worsening. You don't see it this time but look at a list of the 10 worst air quality cities in the nation. Hello Los Angeles.

6. Don't even get me started on our schools. Blame it on what you like, poorer teacher quality, stupid teaching policies, dumber children, increasing numbers of non-English speaking children. Something's broke and it appears nobody knows how to fix it any other way except by throwing money at it, and that doesn't seem to work anyway although the school management seems to have nicer offices. I feel sorry for you if you have children in our public school system. It worked pretty good back in the '50s and '60s.

7. Cost of living: compare the cost of living in Los Angeles to other places in the US. I don't even know what is causing that and even if I did I'm getting tired of typing.

Well there you have seven good reasons why many of us are fed up with living in Los Angeles, or in California. We're losing the quality of our life and many of us perceive that it would be better elsewhere. I myself am near retirement age and I don't much feel like living here anymore myself, and without the requirement to have a job (the primary reason I haven't left before) I'm looking around trying to find a nicer place to live, one that I won't give up the good things about LA (there are plenty of them).

That's what's happening to Los Angeles. That's why we natives are leaving. The place is getting ruined. Life is better elsewhere. Why stay?
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Old 05-10-2008, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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California is just business unfriendly. Many have heard that shows like "Ugly Betty" are leaving for New York because NY gives their production 3x the incentives as California. Our government is not business friendly.
Quite a post. That was probably six months of posts rolled into one.

I saw the writing on the wall about ten years ago and punched out in 2006 (at the peak), having lived in LA/Ventura County for 45 years.

If you are 22 with decent job, LA is doable. Rent near work, no care for schools, etc.

If you are 65 (no job, no commute) with a couple mil in a primary residence (for Medi-Cal planning purposes), then you are OK.

Have kids? Want 2000 square feet? Want mom at home with the kids? You better be "in" already and be fortunate enough to have the your job in your neighborhood - in a good neighborhood.

About filming, It's not just New York:

Alabama Film Office
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Old 05-10-2008, 04:22 PM
 
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The government hasn't been creative enough to deal with the aftermath of Proposition 13. I think that was the first step in the decline of California and it has to be fixed. The vast majority of California's government workers are on welfare jobs easily replaceable by modern equipment. California pays the police and prison guards more that teachers. Nobody the law enforcement community is a brain surgeon or even has a university diploma, so we shouldn't pay them more than a teacher. "Protect and Serve" Protect themselves and serve the government. I could go on for hours, but I'll get off my soapbox. Thanks for giving me a forum.
Your grammar is ironic.
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Old 05-10-2008, 06:51 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Quite a post. That was probably six months of posts rolled into one.
Not for me. I write a lot. And often, over 400 posts and a member only slightly over 2 weeks. Met a lot of nice people at CD in those two weeks too!

I've done a lot of thinking about living in Los Angeles the last several years. At present I'm only about 2-4 years from retiring, and over the last several years it's become clear to me that continuing to live in LA is not such a good idea, plus I'm more likely to find the home I want at an affordable price in a more peaceful, prettier city, elsewhere.

When I feel strongly about a subject I tend to get into it more than just a little bit. Thanks for the compliment.
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:16 PM
 
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I'll throw this out as food for thought as I firmly believe that this was when not only California, but the entire nation started the downhill slide. Many/most won't recall the pre-70's days when Doctors, Lawyers and Pharmaceutical companies could not advertise. I attribute a huge degree of the decline in medical/health insurance and the rise of said both to these three. Further, until Lawyers were allowed to advertise their services people actually assumed a little responsibility for their lives. Now, we stub a toe on the sidewalk and sue the city for $1M.

hard alcohol and tobacco have proven to be dangerous and both lost their advertising privileges years ago. Let's roll back the clock on doctors, lawyers and the pharmaceutical cos as well.

Restless bowl syndrome? Dude, you have the dreaded "D." Eat some fiber!
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