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Old 08-17-2022, 11:30 AM
Location: In the heights
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Originally Posted by BBMW View Post
Ad hominem attacks are a clear sign of a failed argument.

The question isn't so much how much capacity the HSR provides, it's how much it provides vs what's needed. There's also the issue of flexibility. Rail is the least flexible form of transportation.

And in point of fact none of that is really relevant to why this project is getting built. It's getting built because of a combination of environmental virtue signaling on the part of the leadership of the CA state government, and old fashioned pork barrel politics. There's just no way this project pencils out in terms cost / benefit, when the REAL budget numbers (if anyone even knows what they'll end up being) are considered.
They're relevant criticisms--you don't seem to know what you're talking about. You don't seem to even have considered some of the very fundamental issues and you're presenting yourself as if you have any knowledge of this. You have no engineering background, right? This is pretty clear from what you've written, but you can state this explicitly and realize perhaps there are parts of this you simply do not understand. Instead, you just go into idiotic comments about virtue signaling and pork barrel politics as is your suggestion of electric planes as a replacement (which is funny as I do very much support electric aviation and have invested in such, but as part of that at least understand some of the basic energy and physics behind such as part of debating how wise of an investment this is, but your thoughts on this are ridiculous). These are pretty clear signs of how little you understand.

Rail is quite inflexible and so you want demonstrated demand and be able to project from those factors. We have that from the many flights and road traffic, and aside from the lull from the pandemic, it's a lot of demand. See the topic title and original post which is only one flight pair among the airports the line would serve.

It's also not just lack of knowledge you're demonstrating. You're also demonstrating basic lack of literacy or rational thinking. How did my explicitly stating that I question how honest the original budget proposal as evidenced by my saying "There's a question of whether they knew and to what extent, this was overly optimistic at the time" was somehow a sign of "assuming the incorrect budgeting didn't have some degree of intent." You also apparently do not understand how the ad hominem fallacy works. I'm not arguing against you as a person to say your arguments are thus wrong--I'm stating where your arguments are faulty, and *then* using that as a basis as stating that you likely aren't that capable or knowledgeable about the matter. In a nice bit of irony, you're then trying to turn this by saying that these are ad hominem attacks and thus from there the arguments are faulty rather than really addressing the arguments which is a pretty good kin to an actual ad hominem fallacy.

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Old 08-19-2022, 10:56 PM
Location: Oakland, CA
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So much pontificating in this thread. It's really simple:

1) Rail is cheaper AND more environmentally responsible than building more highways and airports
2) See #1
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