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hahaha, oh god. I'm sorry I don't share your selfless ideal for society. I think a society is best when people go after what they want, try to achieve great things, which by extension are almost certain to help other people, and maintain loyal relationships with close friends and family. If I start a business and make it, my business grows, then I hire ten employees, that is ten people who have a steady job because of my business. My friends benefit from my generosity because they are part of my selfishness. Being "selfish" has been given a bad name. Because I'm selfish, that means I care about my friends -- they are part of who I am. I would do anything to help them out and lend assistance, because them being well and being happy is part of my happiness as well.
But going out and helping random people doesn't help my life or make me feel good at all. It's a big waste of time. Now if my efforts help other people, all the better, and if I "make it," then a lot of people will benefit from that, the whole world on a small scale in fact. I'm just in the entertainment business, after all, but I believe entertainment is extremely important -- life isn't worth living without it.
I never said you can't be a "healthy" selfish and go after what you want because you can.
As far as society, it's a lost cause for me to go on because you have been born into "the system", and you have been educated by "the system" so to think of any other way to live is almost incomprehensible so you just except it just like how people except all this violence and bloodshed in the movies. This is all normal/funny to you; tell it happens to you in real life.
As far as business and hiring, well lets use Starbucks or Nike since they are already up and running. In 2008 do you think is fair to pay people 9 -10 dollars an hour to sell overpriced junk (It's junk because many items aren't made to LAST)? Do you think it is fair to use sweat shop labor overseas to produce goods for Americans that pay hundreds of times more then its really worth? Globally, the earth belongs to all of us so do you think that it is fair or normal that a few people and there family's can get rich and force you to pay for there 15th home when for starters the oil belongs to mankind and all of mankind should have input as to how it will be divided up?
What I want to see again is a man who can make things and better his life with his own hands and mind. Too many men help the Government or these shady/greedy company's grow bigger. This is why if the economy crashes people will start looting and running to the soup lines; the modern man lost the some of the most basic skills required to keep himself and his family alive (i.e growing food).
It would benefit everybody. This is how various indigenous people use to live (the aboriginal man) before the artificial structure was imposed on all of us (i.e. city's). Today, man works all day in a big box, and inside the big box he sits in a even smaller box (cubicle). When that man finishes work in his big box he goes to another big box (home) then spends the rest of his day in a even smaller box in the bigger box (living room), staring at another even smaller box for his programing (t.v).
Most of our ancestors did not agree to the building of our society as we know it. So much bloodshed was spilled from the American Indians alone to verify my claim.
So in modern times, to get ahead, it's all about who can care the LEAST which is why all of us have been robbed by wall street and the crooks in Government.
Well if that's the case, how do you only call out Californians when the REAL problem that you have is with mankind
First let me say that my anger towards California was indeed vented in my original post on this thread. In doing so, I know I must have ruffled feathers for some people who are native to California who do not fall under my description. I feel that you are one of those people and I'm sorry If I have offended you. And yes, over all, I'm disgusted with mankind. I have been to one too many funerals and have seen and read all that I can take.
I never said you can't be a "healthy" selfish and go after what you want because you can.
As far as society, it's a lost cause for me to go on because you have been born into "the system", and you have been educated by "the system" so to think of any other way to live is almost incomprehensible so you just except it just like how people except all this violence and bloodshed in the movies. This is all normal/funny to you; tell it happens to you in real life.
As far as business and hiring, well lets use Starbucks or Nike since they are already up and running. In 2008 do you think is fair to pay people 9 -10 dollars an hour to sell overpriced junk (It's junk because many items aren't made to LAST)? Do you think it is fair to use sweat shop labor overseas to produce goods for Americans that pay hundreds of times more then its really worth? Globally, the earth belongs to all of us so do you think that it is fair or normal that a few people and there family's can get rich and force you to pay for there 15th home when for starters the oil belongs to mankind and all of mankind should have input as to how it will be divided up?
What I want to see again is a man who can make things and better his life with his own hands and mind. Too many men help the Government or these shady/greedy company's grow bigger. This is why if the economy crashes people will start looting and running to the soup lines; the modern man lost the some of the most basic skills required to keep himself and his family alive (i.e growing food).
What?! Resources don't belong to "mankind," they belong to individuals, private organizations, and governments. You can't just make things up because you feel like it. Just because you want cheaper gas doesn't mean you can arbitrarily say that somehow gas belongs to all of us. NO. MIGHT makes RIGHT. The country that is the most powerful is going to have the most resources.
And violence in movies is FUN and INTERESTING, what would movies be without action and violence?! I mean come on. We'd have no Star Wars, no Lord of the Rings, no Matrix, no Godfather, nothing. We'd be left with romantic comedies. Are you a girl?! I mean I'm a guy, I like watching action films and I like seeing bullets fly. It's beautiful in a film. Doesn't mean I want it in real life. I love watching football too, doesn't mean I want to play it!
Don't act like I'm some ordinary guy indoctrinated / brain-washed into my beliefs -- I'm a philosopher. I majored in philosophy in college and took almost half of my credits in it. Besides that I graduated with straight A's. Besides that I read more philosophy on my own time. I don't agree with your socialist philosophies, that doesn't mean I'm not thoughtful. I'm an individualist, I'm a Nietzsche fan, and I don't believe in universal happiness or some silly idea of a global utopia. I LIKE the world we live in, and NO it isn't fair, IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE! The world is not fair. I was born into a great family in America and had a lot of great opportunities, other people were born in Somalia and starving. Life isn't fair, get over it. It wasn't meant to be fair. Do you think any other animal has it "fair"? No, that's not the way it works. Humans aren't so special they deserve all of these great things out of life. Some people have it great, others don't. That's reality.
Why would you assume that every company is greedy?! That kind of attitude is just disgusting. I mean these are innovative companies run by hard-working people. Starbucks isn't an evil organization, they have the best benefits package for their employees of any employer basically! They treat their employees great. And yes, they aren't worth more than $8-10 an hour. You know why? Because people will work for that. It's supply and demand. As long as there are people who will work for that price, it's a fair wage.
Stop bashing corporations and wealthy innovators who make this a great country. The big companies and the small ones are the ones who give people jobs, pay the taxes that build roads and hospitals and pay for police and fire departments to do their jobs. The bottom 50% only pays 3% of the taxes in this country -- they could not even bother and it wouldn't make much of ANY difference to our country. It's the rich and powerful that give everyone else the opportunities to live the way they want.
First let me say that my anger towards California was indeed vented in my original post on this thread. In doing so, I know I must have ruffled feathers for some people who are native to California who do not fall under my description. I feel that you are one of those people and I'm sorry If I have offended you. And yes, over all, I'm disgusted with mankind. I have been to one too many funerals and have seen and read all that I can take.
Well to put things in to perspective, anybody can fall under your description so my only problem with your original post was when you made it out to be just a California thing. Although I appreciate the apology I just wanted to let you know that you did not offend me. I don't get offended by stereotypes or broad generalizing/characterizing of people. Especially since almost half the people out here aren't even born or raised Californians. Alot of people that are frustrating you are East Coast/Midwest transplants and foreigners as well. Did they all of a sudden become self-centered the day they touched down? Maybe it's the folks that have the California pride is what annoys you. No different than those with East Coast pride that do their chest-thumping.
What?! Resources don't belong to "mankind," they belong to individuals, private organizations, and governments.
John, how can a large resource from earth that was here before man and will be here after man be claimed by one man or a clan of men? You only believe resources belong to Government because these same men are the same ones who created the schools that you attend. Modern education is all about taking a raw product and making it into a predictable product. No different then a bread factory.
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The country that is the most powerful is going to have the most resources.
You are talking about the U.S. Well yes, and it got that way by stealing it from other people. It then uses its power to concur others. The founding fathers of the U.S were Freemasons from the "oldworld" (England) they then came to the Americas and killed the Indians then used Africans to work on the stolen land killing many of them too. Japan is economically strong too; but it stole its power from other people around it.
And violence in movies is FUN and INTERESTING, what would movies be without action and violence?!
Movies are low level mind programing. Look up predictive programing.
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Why would you assume that every company is greedy?! That kind of attitude is just disgusting. I mean these are innovative companies run by hard-working people.
Stop bashing corporations and wealthy innovators who make this a great country. It's the rich and powerful that give everyone else the opportunities to live the way they want.
Don't you watch the news? So many Americans are pissed because the crooks on wall street used our worthless paper dollars that are NOT backed by gold to bail out the mess that they created for all of us. Like the situation with Enron this latest game they played on us cost many people to loose there retirement savings. Many people that were hoping to retire soon cant. But every year many young men and women will line up at the door to a major corp to give them all of there life hours thinking that it wont happen to them. Ok.
The super rich and powerful DON'T care about you or me. This is how they got super rich in the first place. In fact, many of these people are nothing but hi level gangsters which is why many people who have spoken out against them have been killed (i.e. JFK). But since they wear a suit and tie and give you a little job your ok with that and, "they cant be so bad." This is one of there tactics, buying people off. After all everybody has a price, most people can be bought.
Many politicians or super rich get on the podium and preach to you about how you need to cut and prune areas of your life and make you feel guilty that you are the sole cause of global warming as such but yet they use private jets that spew harmful gas, create wars that kill people and destroy city's, own 15+ houses when you cant afford 1 small shack, or throw you in jail for minor issues when they know D$$ well they have so much dirt under there carpet that,well, quite frankly it doesn't matter because they have get out of jail free cards. They are untouchable because they create the laws that they enforce on you!
Haha, when you talk about the rich and powerful, I'm part of that class so I'm not really threatened
And you don't become rich and powerful by cheating everyone out of their money, you do so by offering useful goods and services people actually want to purchase.
Americans are pissed at Wall Street because they don't understand the economy. You obviously don't either. Lots of big companies took risks they shouldn't have taken, in retrospect, but all businesses take risks. These ones just didn't work out -- Main Street is as much to blame as anyone, normal people speculating on the housing market, unable to make future payments. That was their fault, too. You can't place the blame on just greedy companies looking to make a buck. I'm not saying that wasn't part of it, but you have to remember these companies are trying to make money for their stockholders, too, and those stockholders are often average Americans.
And why should the super rich and powerful "care" about average people? Average people are here to be exploited in one way or another by big companies. That's how it works. You are a dollar sign to a company. Get over it. You are supposed to be. Your mom and your brother and your friends will treat you like a person. Companies will treat you like a source of revenue, as well they should.
Are you paranoid much?! Movies are not "brain washing" or whatever. I'm a filmmaker, trust me none of us put that much thought into trying to program ANYONE, we just want to make meaningful stories with high technical merit.
The U.S. "stole" from other people? Whatever. The world is the will to power, and nothing besides. If the U.S. was able to wrestle power away from other forces when we setup this country, good for us! That's how it has worked throughout history. It's only in today's society of total ******* that we have a hard-on for not taking anyone's land by force anymore, as though that's somehow passe. It's totally natural. This fight for resources and land goes back throughout history, and it extends to animal species, too.
You ARE joking about resources, right? Please tell me you're joking. Whether they were here before mankind or not has no bearing on who they belong to. If a company has the land, and they extract the minerals, those belong to them. Simple as that. Those companies put a LOT of money into exploration and extraction, they deserve the rewards for the risks they take.
I'm sorry you are a socialist, that's nice and all, but you need to learn how the world really works. Trying to change it to some weird idealized fancy of yours isn't going to happen because most of us don't want it that way. We all saw how communism ended up in Russia and Cuba, no thanks! This is capitalism and it works.
Haha, when you talk about the rich and powerful, I'm part of that class so I'm not really threatened
And you don't become rich and powerful by cheating everyone out of their money, you do so by offering useful goods and services people actually want to purchase.
Americans are pissed at Wall Street because they don't understand the economy. You obviously don't either. Lots of big companies took risks they shouldn't have taken, in retrospect, but all businesses take risks. These ones just didn't work out -- Main Street is as much to blame as anyone, normal people speculating on the housing market, unable to make future payments. That was their fault, too. You can't place the blame on just greedy companies looking to make a buck. I'm not saying that wasn't part of it, but you have to remember these companies are trying to make money for their stockholders, too, and those stockholders are often average Americans.
And why should the super rich and powerful "care" about average people? Average people are here to be exploited in one way or another by big companies. That's how it works. You are a dollar sign to a company. Get over it. You are supposed to be. Your mom and your brother and your friends will treat you like a person. Companies will treat you like a source of revenue, as well they should.
Are you paranoid much?! Movies are not "brain washing" or whatever. I'm a filmmaker, trust me none of us put that much thought into trying to program ANYONE, we just want to make meaningful stories with high technical merit.
The U.S. "stole" from other people? Whatever. The world is the will to power, and nothing besides. If the U.S. was able to wrestle power away from other forces when we setup this country, good for us! That's how it has worked throughout history. It's only in today's society of total ******* that we have a hard-on for not taking anyone's land by force anymore, as though that's somehow passe. It's totally natural. This fight for resources and land goes back throughout history, and it extends to animal species, too.
You ARE joking about resources, right? Please tell me you're joking. Whether they were here before mankind or not has no bearing on who they belong to. If a company has the land, and they extract the minerals, those belong to them. Simple as that. Those companies put a LOT of money into exploration and extraction, they deserve the rewards for the risks they take.
I'm sorry you are a socialist, that's nice and all, but you need to learn how the world really works. Trying to change it to some weird idealized fancy of yours isn't going to happen because most of us don't want it that way. We all saw how communism ended up in Russia and Cuba, no thanks! This is capitalism and it works.
Heard this quote in a movie wants "A man kills another man and he is called a murderer, a man kills a million he's a conquerer"
Haha, when you talk about the rich and powerful, I'm part of that class so I'm not really threatened
And you don't become rich and powerful by cheating everyone out of their money, you do so by offering useful goods and services people actually want to purchase.
Americans are pissed at Wall Street because they don't understand the economy. You obviously don't either. Lots of big companies took risks they shouldn't have taken, in retrospect, but all businesses take risks. These ones just didn't work out -- Main Street is as much to blame as anyone, normal people speculating on the housing market, unable to make future payments. That was their fault, too. You can't place the blame on just greedy companies looking to make a buck. I'm not saying that wasn't part of it, but you have to remember these companies are trying to make money for their stockholders, too, and those stockholders are often average Americans.
And why should the super rich and powerful "care" about average people? Average people are here to be exploited in one way or another by big companies. That's how it works. You are a dollar sign to a company. Get over it. You are supposed to be. Your mom and your brother and your friends will treat you like a person. Companies will treat you like a source of revenue, as well they should.
Are you paranoid much?! Movies are not "brain washing" or whatever. I'm a filmmaker, trust me none of us put that much thought into trying to program ANYONE, we just want to make meaningful stories with high technical merit.
The U.S. "stole" from other people? Whatever. The world is the will to power, and nothing besides. If the U.S. was able to wrestle power away from other forces when we setup this country, good for us! That's how it has worked throughout history. It's only in today's society of total ******* that we have a hard-on for not taking anyone's land by force anymore, as though that's somehow passe. It's totally natural. This fight for resources and land goes back throughout history, and it extends to animal species, too.
You ARE joking about resources, right? Please tell me you're joking. Whether they were here before mankind or not has no bearing on who they belong to. If a company has the land, and they extract the minerals, those belong to them. Simple as that. Those companies put a LOT of money into exploration and extraction, they deserve the rewards for the risks they take.
I'm sorry you are a socialist, that's nice and all, but you need to learn how the world really works. Trying to change it to some weird idealized fancy of yours isn't going to happen because most of us don't want it that way. We all saw how communism ended up in Russia and Cuba, no thanks! This is capitalism and it works.
Jesus Christ - you sure have all the Republican talking points down - even to the latest fad of calling Democrats "socialists". lol...
Since you seem to believe so deeply that capitalism is the answer to everything, I guess you're also against the minimum wage, a progressive tax system, Social Security, and Medicare.
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