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Old 10-31-2008, 01:10 PM
 
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I guess you think that a "gain" on paper is the same as a realized gain. Its not. And if person sold their house, they'd still have to live somewhere. You don't really get to take advantage of that gain unless you move somewhere cheaper like another state because if your house appreciated to the point of not being able to afford the taxes, so did all the houses around you. I think the tax burden needs to be evened out but prop13 addressed a very big problem. I just think they set the annual increase percentage too low.
Every other state manages to address this issue without Prop 13. Homeowners in NYC, Boston, Chicago, D.C., Seattle, etc. etc. somehow manage to survive without it. The situation could be resolved more equitably in CA and, in doing so, the state could realize-- yes, realize-- much-needed gains. Or the state could just sink into squalor, with the middle class scrimping and starving while the enabled and entitled milk the state for every last penny. Wait-- isn't that why the middle class is leaving and taking their tax dollars with them?
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:49 PM
 
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Every other state manages to address this issue without Prop 13. Homeowners in NYC, Boston, Chicago, D.C., Seattle, etc. etc. somehow manage to survive without it. The situation could be resolved more equitably in CA and, in doing so, the state could realize-- yes, realize-- much-needed gains. Or the state could just sink into squalor, with the middle class scrimping and starving while the enabled and entitled milk the state for every last penny. Wait-- isn't that why the middle class is leaving and taking their tax dollars with them?
You also have middle class people leaving east coast states like New Jersey because they can't afford to pay $18,000/yr in property tax on a modest house.
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:55 PM
 
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then you have people moving to texas in droves and they have some of the highest property tax rates in the country, go figure.
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:59 PM
 
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then you have people moving to texas in droves and they have some of the highest property tax rates in the country, go figure.
Except the houses down there are so cheap, it offsets the tax. Would you rather pay $600k and 1.1% tax for a 3 bedroom house or $190k and 2.5% tax for a 4 bedroom house?
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Old 10-31-2008, 03:25 PM
 
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not factual!!! in london, not even the cops carry guns. they certainly don't have as high a crime rate as we do here in CA.
Here are a few articles for your perusal...

GUN crime has almost trebled as weapons and drugs fill British cities

By David Bamber, Home Affairs Correspondent
Last Updated: 12:36AM GMT 24 Feb 2002

GUN crime has almost trebled in London during the past year and is soaring in other British cities, according to Home Office figures obtained by The Telegraph.

treble Adjective
1. three times as much or as many

In 2002 the Metropolitan Police seized more than 1,000 firearms and imitation firearms. Last year in London there were more than 4,000 gun crime incidents, 1,300 more than the previous year. (In a city where even the police do not have guns!)

2003: Revenge killings among drug gangs have fuelled an explosion in gun murders in Britain. According to latest figures the number of gun murders in London has leapt by 90% this year.




After the 1997 shooting of 16 kids in Dunblane, England, the United Kingdom passed one of the strictest gun-control laws in the world, banning its citizens from owning almost all types of handguns. Britain seemed to get safer by the minute, as 162,000 newly-illegal firearms were forked over to British officials by law-abiding citizens.

But this didn't decrease the amount of gun-related crime in the U.K. In fact, gun-related crime has nearly doubled in the U.K. since the ban was enacted.


Might stricter gun laws result in more gun crime? It seems counterintuitive but makes sense if we consider one simple fact: Criminals don't obey the law. Strict gun laws, like the ban in Britain, probably only affect the actions of people who wouldn't commit crimes in the first place.


Gun control is not Crime control!

Regardless of if the gun was legally purchased, nearly all gun crimes are committed by people who have already broken one law in the process.

On a blog I came across: RWB Patriot who wrote this...

Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.

2008: A recent report for the United States Congress notes, "All countries have some type of firearms regulation, ranging from the extremely strictly regulated countries like Great Britain, Germany, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia and Sweden to the less regulated countries within the jurisdictions of Switzerland and Mexico. In the latter two countries, the right to bear arms remains as a vital part of the national heritage of the country up to the present time." However, "From readily available statistics, of (the 27) countries utilized within this survey, it is extremely difficult to find a direct correlation between a lower incidence of gun related crimes and the existence of strict firearms regulations.



In Canada, for example, when handguns were most strictly regulated the statistics note a dramatic increase in the percentage of handguns used in all homicides. Conversely, in very strict regulated Germany, gun related crime is significantly higher than in countries like Israel and Switzerland that have less restrictive, simpler legislation." (Library of Congress, "Firearms Regulations in Various Foreign Countries, May 1998.")

The citizens of Switzerland are frequently issued fully-automatic rifles to utilize for home national defense purposes, despite this fact, "abuse of military weapons is rare." The citizens of Switzerland own approximately two million firearms, including semi-automatic rifles and handguns, they shoot approximately 60 million rounds of ammunition per year, and "the rate of violent gun abuse is considerably low."

Even Japan`s Olympic shooters are required to practice out of the country because of their country`s severe gun laws. Yet, crime in Japan has been steadily rising for about the last 15 years and the number of shooting crimes has more than doubled during select years throughout this period. Organized crime is additionally on the rise.
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Old 10-31-2008, 06:20 PM
 
Location: RSM
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not factual!!! in london, not even the cops carry guns. they certainly don't have as high a crime rate as we do here in CA.
it is factual, just not for murder/firearm crimes. nationmaster.com is a valuable resource. take a look at crimes per capita, total crimes, total robberies, etc. homeowners with guns is a very viable deterrant to robbery, and it reflects in the number of various crimes in nations like australia, france, uk, etc.

heres a quick one: usa avgs 7 burglaries per 1000 people. uk 14, australia 21, canada 9, mexico 1.3

car theft looks the same

assaults are around the same per capita

the only real outlier is murders per capita, and we're still at .04 per 1000, while the standard set of eu countries are around .02 or .01.
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Old 10-31-2008, 06:31 PM
 
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regardless, i wouldn't say that london, or anywhere in the europe for that matter has an "incredibly high crime rate" as mentioned by zednemtheadventurer. they also have much more strict gun regulations.

which is why the thugs will cut you with broken beer bottles.

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New York also comes out on top in terms of crime. It is among the safest cities in America, with violent crime dropping 75% over the past 12 years, and the murder rate last year at its lowest level since 1963. London, meanwhile, has seen violent crime on the Underground rise 14% between 2004 and 2005, according to the British Transport Police, and its street crimes skyrocket more than 40% between 2001 and 2002.


excerpt from: N.Y. Fares Well Vs. London in a New Study - August 8, 2008 - The New York Sun
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Old 10-31-2008, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Whittier
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American culture is unique in its regard for weaponry. Other "gun control models" in countries like Japan, Canada, and some places in Europe just won't work here or would be very difficult to implement.

On the whole, you guys seem to have a lot of good ideas. Out of vanity, I'd like to see L.A. become a "real" city like San Francisco. Better public transport with a city center or hub. Stuff to do, clean up skid row etc.

What I'd probably do as Governor is try make term limits longer for most legislators and representatives, but only let them serve one term.
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Old 11-01-2008, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Malibu/Miami Beach
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If i could be mayor (with alot more power than most mayors) I would work to fix LA by
making firearms legal for citizens to carry with a permit (which in california is almos impossible to get) that way citizens could shoot hoodlums if the police are not around to do it for them.A robber might think twice if he knows he may get killed committing a crime.

Tear down dumpy areas let developers build mixed housing

increase LA police force to New York levels and put them in neighborhood stations so they never leave 24 hours a day.

Let more charter schools open to break the corruption of the teachers unions in our schools.They are failing our kids.

what would you do if you were the mayor and had the power to fix what is wrong with LA
I would put PCP in the water supply...all problems solved.
But don`t they already do that?

CCW
Limit to Property Tax.
The "death penalty" ( $30,000 per year X 600 = 18 Million $$$ per year )
Public stoning (lapidation) the biblical kind not the Beverly Hills kind.

Last edited by impala666; 11-01-2008 at 04:09 AM..
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