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l.a has almost 4 million ppl vs 800,000 for SF. obviously "per 100k" the numbers are going to be higher. do u know how that works.. wtf
Yes I do but obviously you do not know how crime RATES work. It takes into account population so it's a more fair comparison. The chances of being a victim of a crime are higher in SF than LA b/c it's crime rate is higher. There are more crimes committed per person in SF compared to LA.
Which city is safer: A city of 500K with 50 murders a year or a city with 100K with 20 murder per year?
LA is now safer city than SF in terms of its overall crime rate, it's a fact that you seem to have trouble accepting.
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ur really going to argue SF gangs vs L.A gangs.... seriously? and we're talking SF vs LA, not LA vs bay area. there is no such thing as crips vs bloods in san francisco OR the bay area. theres no real ms13 presence either. or the proximity to mexican drug cartels. what is wrong with you
Yes I am and you're incredibly naive to believe the Bay Area does not have a gang presence. And I already stated that gangs and the gang culture are bigger in Southern CA but that doesn't mean SF or the Bay Area does not have a problem with gangs. Did you not read the two articles I posted? Both about the MS-13 gangs. Get real already and stop pretending gangs don't exist in the Bay Area.
And actually Northern CA does have proximity to Mexican drug cartels as there have been issues with cartels setting up marijuana growing operations up north of the Bay Area. Not saying it's the same thing as what goes on between Southern CA and Mexico but saying that cartels are very much present outside of SoCal as well.
But go ahead and stick your head in the sand and pretend the problem doesn't exist and that there are no illegals in the Bay Area, haha. Apparently the most "socially aware and progressive" place on earth has trouble dealing with reality that it has many social problems like everywhere else.
there are different statistics even within the government census site and los angeles/san francisco government sites. nevermind ur comparing a city with almost 4 million residents vs one with barely
800,000
My mistake, I clicked on the ACS Demographics link to get more detailed info and forgot to paste that link instead. But either way that doesn't change the information displayed there and both cities are about equally diverse. And what difference does it make comparing a city of 4 million to one of 800k when we are talking about rates and percentages and not absolute numbers? That's what rates are for. If you think SF is more diverse then prove it.
I know you're full of a bunch of Bay Area bias but stats are stats and facts are facts whether you can accept them or not. If you're going to try to prove someone wrong then do it with evidence rather than just your own biased opinion.
Bunjee, I agree with you. I love San Francisco, but the smug attitude so often found there can be annoying. I found that in LA people were usually more than willing to admit that they really enjoyed both cities, while in SF it's so often the trendy thing to hate LA. People are certainly entitled to their opinions, and can hate LA all they want, but it drives me batty when it's for bogus reasons like "there's no public transportation" or "there's no culture" or "everyone is so materialistic" (and SF's not?!?). I love both cities, but am rather shocked to find that I, a dedicated "city" person, prefer LA. It's bigger, does seem like it has more vitality, and takes itself less seriously.
Both cities are pretty fabulous, though, which is why I never can understand why so many people (or at least those in SF) think you are somehow required to hate LA if you love SF. There's no rule saying you can't like both.
This is pretty much how we both felt when checking out both cities. We pretty much had the option to move to either area, and we expected to like SF more because so many friends/peers said it's better than LA. However, after visiting both areas we liked LA and Southern California better. Moving to LA for us was considered unusual for people of our demographic (grad degrees and nothing to do with arts or entertainment) so many friends of ours found it odd. Fast forward to today and I think we made the right choice. All that said I like SF and the Bay Area a lot too and would have no problem moving there. I just happen to prefer LA although they are both great places, but different.
I think the reason people in SF hate LA so much is they have a bit of an inferiority complex at being the "second city" in California in terms of overall importance. Please don't quote meaningless population statistics that are irrelevant because of how city boundaries are incorporated. SF is definitely the second city in California (yes I realize SD proper has more people but it's really irrelevant).
SF is very politically homogeneous and people that love the city often fall into that category and feel like a fish out of water in other cities that don't share their political beliefs and activism. I don't think LA is a particularly activist city in general, especially about the issues that so many people in SF care so much about. I am not sure that the political beliefs among equivalent demographics are that different, but the activism and openness about the beliefs are very different.
SF is very politically homogeneous and people that love the city often fall into that category and feel like a fish out of water in other cities that don't share their political beliefs and activism. I don't think LA is a particularly activist city in general, especially about the issues that so many people in SF care so much about. I am not sure that the political beliefs among equivalent demographics are that different, but the activism and openness about the beliefs are very different.
SF is very politically homogeneous and people that love the city often fall into that category and feel like a fish out of water in other cities that don't share their political beliefs and activism.
Well said, sometimes SF and other parts of the Bay Area can feel like one giant ideological circle jerk.
It's interesting seeing the crap some San Franciscans say when they move to San Diego. Apparently their proclaimed love of diversity doesn't carry over to opinions, beliefs, and values for some of them.
Well said, sometimes SF and other parts of the Bay Area can feel like one giant ideological circle jerk.
Well said. I may even agree with 90% of the ideology, but you know the groupthink is a bit extreme when a co-worker shows up at a staff meeting stating in amazement, "someone was watching *Fox*News* in the exercise room" and everyone gasps. (True story!)
On the other hand, I lived in Orange County for a while, where the CEO of my employer thought it was cool to have daily bible study sessions in the office and people felt comfortable coming to work wearing t-shirts with right-wing slogans on them.
Somewhere between these two extremes is surely better for the vast majority of us.
Yes I am and you're incredibly naive to believe the Bay Area does not have a gang presence. And I already stated that gangs and the gang culture are bigger in Southern CA but that doesn't mean SF or the Bay Area does not have a problem with gangs. Did you not read the two articles I posted? Both about the MS-13 gangs. Get real already and stop pretending gangs don't exist in the Bay Area.
And actually Northern CA does have proximity to Mexican drug cartels as there have been issues with cartels setting up marijuana growing operations up north of the Bay Area. Not saying it's the same thing as what goes on between Southern CA and Mexico but saying that cartels are very much present outside of SoCal as well.
1. quit saying "bay area" this is about SF not the entire bay area.
2. there are little pockets of ms13 everywhere, theres even ms13 presence in toronto of all places.. but LA has the worse infestation in the entire country. ive never seen any ms13 graffiti or "members" anywhere in the bay area.
3. as of july 21 2009 there were 168 murders in L.A (and the number is actually down from 2008,
as of august 5, there were 30 homicides in San Francisco
Homicides in San Francisco 2007/2008/2009 (http://www.sfgate.com/maps/sfhomicides/ - broken link)
LA City Murders down in 2009 - Crime Scene (http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvcrime/2009/07/la-city-murders-down-in-2009.html - broken link)
so you're absolutely right it seems, 30 homicides is more than 168. off the top of my head i know of watts, compton, south central, east l.a, cypress park, hyde park.. specific areas/neighborhoods known for gang activity/violence. how many "dangerous" places do u know in SF?
there are little pockets of ms13 everywhere, theres even ms13 presence in toronto of all places.. but LA has the worse infestation in the entire country. ive never seen any ms13 graffiti or "members" anywhere in the bay area.
That's nice, but that doesn't mean they are not present and causing crime over the Bay Area. They are not as big of a problem as they are in LA but they are still there, that is my point.
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. as of july 21 2009 there were 168 murders in L.A (and the number is actually down from 2008,
as of august 5, there were 30 homicides in San Francisco
Homicides in San Francisco 2007/2008/2009 (http://www.sfgate.com/maps/sfhomicides/ - broken link)
LA City Murders down in 2009 - Crime Scene (http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvcrime/2009/07/la-city-murders-down-in-2009.html - broken link)
so you're absolutely right it seems, 30 homicides is more than 168.
You're citing two different sources. Homicide is not the same thing as murder either. This one is showing LA with 143 for 2009 to date, which would make the murder rate slightly lower than SF's current 2009 rate. LA County Murders
So yes 30 murders is a higher murder rate in a city of 800K compared to 143 in a city of 4 million.
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off the top of my head i know of watts, compton, south central, east l.a, cypress park, hyde park.. specific areas/neighborhoods known for gang activity/violence. how many "dangerous" places do u know in SF?
If you're gonna get technical about city limits then you should know Compton and East La are not in the city of LA.
The whole SE section of SF is dangerous. Hunters Point, Ingleside, Visitacion Valley, and the Bayview District and then up farther north, where all the people live who never go to the SE section of town, you have the open air crack market called the Tenderloin. And the Sunnydale Housing project is pretty infamous and seems to be in the news somewhat often. I'm not sure what this exercise of listing dangerous neighborhoods was suppose to prove but one thing about LA is that its spread out nature allows people to live far away from the worst neighborhoods compared to compact SF.
I'm not trying to bash SF at all, I think it's a great city but just showing how it's not as dangerous as some people make it out to be and that SF does have plenty of problems that many there tend to ignore or gloss over while bashing another place for the same crap.
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san francisco mostly. east/south bay arent as "liberal"
True to a certain extent, I'd say SF, Berkeley, and Marin County are the worst with San Mateo up there too. The rest of the Bay Area, especially outer East Bay like central CoCo County and eastern Alameda county, is fairly moderate overall to even conservative in some areas.
Well said. I may even agree with 90% of the ideology, but you know the groupthink is a bit extreme when a co-worker shows up at a staff meeting stating in amazement, "someone was watching *Fox*News* in the exercise room" and everyone gasps. (True story!)
On the other hand, I lived in Orange County for a while, where the CEO of my employer thought it was cool to have daily bible study sessions in the office and people felt comfortable coming to work wearing t-shirts with right-wing slogans on them.
yeah, SF and OC are complete polar opposites when it comes to ideology. I'm moderately liberal and generally side with how the Bay Area votes but the group thinking gets old and annoying after awhile. I actually enjoy a good, civil debate/discussion with people with different beliefs/values rather than just agreeing with one another all the time.
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Somewhere between these two extremes is surely better for the vast majority of us.
Agreed, most people seem moderate but it's the extremists that get the attention and make the most noise. I found the outer East Bay (Lamorinda, Walnut Creek, San Ramon, etc..) where I grew up pretty moderate overall compared to the rest of the Bay Area and the people there are generally not as vocal about politics.
Saw a great documentary about Helmut Newton done in the 80's. He used to spend the winters at Chateau Marmont. On SF vs. LA: "San Francisco thinks they are so European and cultured...fu*k culture! I'll take the warm weather and pretty girls"
SF really is a bunch of pseudo-intellectual smug pricks who are busy trying to control other peoples lives with their demented left wing agenda's. Fu*k them and their bicycles, obama stickers, and cotton reusable shopping bags.
The mayor Gavin Newsom is another self-righteous cu*t. This guy was banging his best friends wife. On top of that, this was his campaign manager, who helped him become mayor of the socialist republic of SF. What a lovely human being.
Now this monkey wants to be governor of CA. First let's see him clean up the degenerate zombies who infest the streets of downtown and the Tenderloin.
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