Compared to LA, do you like or loathe Orange County? (Santa Ana: low income, best cities)

[Guitarmaan]

Originally Posted by nslander

Spare me. Please explain how the claim the demographics of Orange County make it unrepresentative of Southern California at-large is a racist comment.

Your logic is insane.

Because one area has a higher proportion of one demographic makes it wrong?? Pick any other area of California with a majority hispanic, asian or black demographic and tell me that it's wrong. If Compton used to be majority black, then that meant it was "too black"? And that Compton is probably now majority hispanic, that means it's now "too hispanic"?

Those are negative statements based on race. You can get as hysterical as you like shouting down the reverse racism claim. Nobody cares anymore. I know I don't.

Orange County is too white. Thanks for the information.

[LuvSouthOC]

I value different cultures tremendously and will be the first to reject xenophobia.

That said, I am curious to know from OC's detractors what the correct racial mix should be for OC - for any place. What happens if the balance changes?

[nslander]

Originally Posted by Guitarmaan

Your logic is insane.

Because one area has a higher proportion of one demographic makes it wrong?? Pick any other area of California with a majority hispanic, asian or black demographic and tell me that it's wrong. If Compton used to be majority black, then that meant it was "too black"? And that Compton is probably now majority hispanic, that means it's now "too hispanic"?

Those are negative statements based on race. You can get as hysterical as you like shouting down the reverse racism claim. Nobody cares anymore. I know I don't.

Orange County is too white. Thanks for the information.

You’re the one who lobbed the racism grenade- but you can keep it. OC's take on OC was that its not as demographically representative of the State as compared to other cities; the recognition of that fact does not make the comment racist. You brought everything else to the party. By your logic, it’s racist to express a preference for places with strong racial diversity. It's not.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

I value different cultures tremendously and will be the first to reject xenophobia.

That said, I am curious to know from OC's detractors what the correct racial mix should be for OC - for any place. What happens if the balance changes?

IMO - whatever makes you comfortable. It’s a personal preference and I honestly don’t give a rip. But unfounded accusations are a different matter. As a white man living in Orange County for too long, its peculiar composition creeped me out. But at the same time, I would not characterize favorable comments of that composition, without more, as inherently racist.

[dexter14]

...and by the way, why is it racist if a white person wants to live around other white people? Mexicans all want to live together in Santa Ana, Vietnamese all want to live together in Westminster, Armenians all want to live together in Glendale etc....but white people want to live together and all the sudden they are racists who are xenophobes?

[BRinSM]

Originally Posted by mbell75

...and by the way, why is it racist if a white person wants to live around other white people? Mexicans all want to live together in Santa Ana, Vietnamese all want to live together in Westminster, Armenians all want to live together in Glendale etc....but white people want to live together and all the sudden they are racists who are xenophobes?

at face value there's nothing wrong with what you state, but one should understand that there's a big difference between a white family moving from across the country to a white area and 'white flight'.

[legal_eagle]

Originally Posted by mbell75

...and by the way, why is it racist if a white person wants to live around other white people? Mexicans all want to live together in Santa Ana, Vietnamese all want to live together in Westminster, Armenians all want to live together in Glendale etc....but white people want to live together and all the sudden they are racists who are xenophobes?

Because Vietnamese, Mexican, and Armenian aren't races and you're talking about first generation immigrants who tend to come together for self-protection. While "whites wanting to be around whites" generally means established communities based on skin color not nationality who want to exclude others solely because they have a different skin color.

Does that help?

[dexter14]

Originally Posted by legal_eagle

Because Vietnamese, Mexican, and Armenian aren't races and you're talking about first generation immigrants who tend to come together for self-protection. While "whites wanting to be around whites" generally means established communities based on skin color not nationality who want to exclude others solely because they have a different skin color.

Does that help?

Ummm, no it doesn't help. If you want to play that game, fine. Latinos generally live in the same areas (Anaheim/Santa Ana) African-Americans usually live in the same areas (Compton/Watts) Asians usually live in the same areas (Westminster/Garden Grove) First generation? There have been Latinos and Asians here for MANY generations. While SOME may live together for protection, most live in the same areas because they enjoy the same cultures, food and speak the same language. They take over areas and even name it things like "koreatown", "Chinatown", "Little Armenia". People on this very forum come on here and ask about areas they should live with large populations of their own race, are they xenophobes? Again, if you are going to call white people out for wanting to live in areas around each other as racists and xenophobes, you have to do the same for other races. I personally see nothing wrong with any of it no matter the race.

[legal_eagle]

Originally Posted by mbell75

Ummm, no it doesn't help. If you want to play that game, fine. Latinos generally live in the same areas (Anaheim/Santa Ana) African-Americans usually live in the same areas (Compton/Watts) Asians usually live in the same areas (Westminster/Garden Grove) First generation? There have been Latinos and Asians here for MANY generations. While SOME may live together for protection, most live in the same areas because they enjoy the same cultures, food and speak the same language. They take over areas and even name it things like "koreatown", "Chinatown", "Little Armenia". People on this very forum come on here and ask about areas they should live with large populations of their own race, are they xenophobes? Again, if you are going to call white people out for wanting to live in areas around each other as racists and xenophobes, you have to do the same for other races. I personally see nothing wrong with any of it no matter the race.

For generations deeds prevented the sale of property to anyone but white, non-jewish people. I've never heard of a deed that discriminates against white people. So there is a long history of racially motivated exclusion in California and probably throughout the United States.

The fact that racially discriminatory provisions in deeds are no longer enforced by the courts does not mean that racism has been eradicated. It is merely practiced in more covert ways, such as racial profiling, harassment, red-lining, shunning, and so forth. Talking about "preferring" to live with other white people seems, in my opinion, to be awfully close to if not actual covert racism. There is no "white" culture, like there is Vietnamese, Mexican, Korean, Chinese, or Armenian. So what is the explanation for the "preference" if it is not racism?

Yes, there is racism against white people as well, but it is rare and is without the history of being legally enforced in this country. It cannot be understood by simply spinning it as a "preference."

[theraven24]

I used to live in Anaheim. Besides going to Disneyland, it wasn't fun. I thought about Los Angeles and visiting every day. I was beyond happy when I moved back.