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Old 01-08-2011, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Texarkana
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If we look at census data comparing 2000 to 2009, Baton Rouge has the highest growth at 11.5%.

Baton Rouge +11.5
Lafayette +10.2
Alexandria +6.3
Houma +4.4
Shreveport +4.1
Monroe +2.4
Lake Charles +0.3
New Orleans -9.6

But, when comparing 2008 to 2009:

New Orleans +1.8
Lafayette +1.3
Baton Rouge +1.0
Lake Charles 0.6
Monroe +0.6
Shreveport +0.5
Alexandria +0.4
Houma +0.1

At least we are all growing...

Population Estimates (http://www.census.gov/popest/metro/CBSA-est2009-pop-chg.html - broken link)
Cool!
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Old 01-08-2011, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
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Correct. That's why I presented both scenarios, both of which paint a misleading picture of New Orleans' growth.
Recently, they did a statewide voter purge of inactive voters. As a result of that, As a result, East Baton Rouge has the most voters, followed by Jefferson (Metairie, Kenner, Westbank), then Orleans. Wonder if this is what the soon to be released Census figures will show ?
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Old 01-08-2011, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Youngsville, LA
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Recently, they did a statewide voter purge of inactive voters. As a result of that, As a result, East Baton Rouge has the most voters, followed by Jefferson (Metairie, Kenner, Westbank), then Orleans. Wonder if this is what the soon to be released Census figures will show ?
I wouldn't be surprised. The Baton Rouge metro was the clear winner in terms of growth over the last decade, and the 2009 estimates suggest that the 2010 results may bear that out.

2009 estimates:

Jefferson - 443,342
East BR - 434,633
Orleans - 354,850

Top two are pretty close...
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Old 01-08-2011, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Youngsville, LA
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And Darbo, to answer your original question, I don't see Baton Rouge and New Orleans becoming a single metro in our respective lifetimes. But, I do see a trend that would present the possibility of the two joining into a CSA (combined statistical area).

Definition of a CSA according to the feds:

The U.S. Office of Management and Budget (OMB) defines a set of core based statistical areas (CBSAs) throughout the country. CBSAs are delineated on the basis of a central urban area or urban cluster — a contiguous area of relatively high population density. The counties containing the core urban area are known as the central counties of the CBSA. Additional surrounding counties (known as outlying counties) can be included in the CBSA if these counties have strong social and economic ties to the central counties as measured by commuting and employment. Outlying counties are included in the CBSA if the employment interchange measure (total of in commuting and out commuting) is 25% or more. Note that some areas within these outlying counties may actually be rural in nature. CBSAs are subdivided into metropolitan statistical areas (MSAs) and micropolitan statistical areas based on the population of the core urban area. Under certain conditions, one or more CBSAs may be grouped together to form a larger statistical entity known as a combined statistical area (CSA). Other names, such as Standard Metropolitan Statistical Area and Primary Metropolitan Statistical Area, have been used in the past but are now discontinued. CBSAs are composed of counties and county-equivalents.U.S. census statistics for metropolitan areas are reported based on these definitions.

In other words, the Baton Rouge metro consists of multiple parishes which, due to it's urban continuity with those other parishes, constitute the metro. But, the Baton Rouge CSA also includes the Pierre Part micro area because there exists at least a 25% commute relationship with that area. Not enough urban continuity for inclusion into the metro, but enough to be recognized as a greater part of the BR market.

As the Baton Rouge and New Orleans metros continue to grow toward each other, there may come a time when the economic and social relationship between the two reach the 25% threshold, at least according to the bean counters.

In a nutshell, NO - BR metro, no.

NO - BR CSA, possible.
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Old 01-08-2011, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Youngsville, LA
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Sorry Darbo, wrong thread.

The Saints royally screwed up my mind...
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Old 01-09-2011, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Youngsville, LA
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Dang:

"Darbro"...

SouthernBelle? Any chance you could undo my latest brain-fart?
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Old 01-10-2011, 12:33 AM
 
Location: Texarkana
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Sorry Darbo, wrong thread.

The Saints royally screwed up my mind...
No problem man. Great post though.
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Old 01-15-2011, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Youngsville, LA
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The U.S. Office of Management and Budget (OMB) defines a set of core based statistical areas (CBSAs) throughout the country. CBSAs are delineated on the basis of a central urban area or urban cluster — a contiguous area of relatively high population density. The counties containing the core urban area are known as the central counties of the CBSA. Additional surrounding counties (known as outlying counties) can be included in the CBSA if these counties have strong social and economic ties to the central counties as measured by commuting and employment. Outlying counties are included in the CBSA if the employment interchange measure (total of in commuting and out commuting) is 25% or more. Note that some areas within these outlying counties may actually be rural in nature. CBSAs are subdivided into metropolitan statistical areas (MSAs) and micropolitan statistical areas based on the population of the core urban area. Under certain conditions, one or more CBSAs may be grouped together to form a larger statistical entity known as a combined statistical area (CSA). Other names, such as Standard Metropolitan Statistical Area and Primary Metropolitan Statistical Area, have been used in the past but are now discontinued. CBSAs are composed of counties and county-equivalents.U.S. census statistics for metropolitan areas are reported based on these definitions.

In other words, the Baton Rouge metro consists of multiple parishes which, due to it's urban continuity with those other parishes, constitute the metro. But, the Baton Rouge CSA also includes the Pierre Part micro area because there exists at least a 25% commute relationship with that area. Not enough urban continuity for inclusion into the metro, but enough to be recognized as a greater part of the BR market.
Darbro, you were, in fact, correct the first time. I misread the above explanation.

The 25% rule applies to adjoining counties (parishes) to the core urban area in order to form the metro. NOT the CSA. Lets use the Baton Rouge metro as the example.

The Baton Rouge metro consists of Ascension, East and West Baton Rouge, East and West Feliciana, Iberville, Livingston, Pointe Coupee and St. Helena parishes.

THAT's where the 25% rule applies. How the feds determined that the Pierre Part micro joins into the BR CSA remains unclear, as well as how any micro area gets associated with any other metro or micro stat area. "Under certain conditions" is all we get. What those conditions are? Who knows...

Then let's look at the Lafayette metro, which consists of only Lafayette and St. Martin parishes (25% rule). YET, there are four micros included in the Lafayette CSA, ranking it as the third largest in the state. I know why and what the feds are getting at, but would love to know how.

Back in 2005 (I think), the old method of rankings had the Shreveport and Lafayette metros virtually "neck and neck" with Shreveport at 385,000 and Lafayette at 381,000. That ranking hardly painted an accurate picture of the two areas as Shreveport obviously possessed a much larger urban core. THUS the arrival of the new method where the newly invented CSA provided a qualifier of sorts.

With the 25% method invoked, the Lafayette metro was demoted to a two parish metro instead of the previous four, YET, the micro area associations addressed the fact that there are quite a few population cores surrounding the area which "under certain conditions" became associated with the Lafayette urban core.

What those conditions are, I'm all ears....

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Old 01-16-2011, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Denver
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What is the population of the Laffy CSA?
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Old 01-16-2011, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Youngsville, LA
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What is the population of the Laffy CSA?
From another thread:

Combined Statistical Areas - 2009 Estimate

New Orleans - 1,235,650
Baton Rouge - 809,821
Lafayette - 546,834
Shreveport - 432,060
Lake Charles- 225,235
Monroe - 202,309
Fort Polk - 82,035 (Fort Polk and De Ridder)

Alexandria and Houma aren't listed here because their metros don't combine with any micro areas.
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