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Old 01-19-2011, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Youngsville, LA
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It's interesting that Beaumont does not seem to have a CSA. It's not colored blue, or am I reading it correctly?
All that means is there are no other statistical areas, whether micro or metro, "loosely" associated with the Beaumont metro (MSA). All three counties within that MSA meet the 25% rule, so are all included as one MSA. If another bordering county grows to the point where it becomes a micro area that the bean counters feel should be associated, but falls short of meeting the 25% rule with the Beaumont MSA, then a CSA would be formed.

Lets look at this in reverse. Had one of the three counties within the Beaumont MSA not quite met the 25% rule, then it would have been it's own micro (or metro), but just enough to be tied to the Beaumont metro, thus, the current three county MSA would instead be a two county MSA with ties to a micro area forming a CSA.

If you look at places like Austin, San Antonio, Portland, Phoenix, Tuscon, etc., none of these areas are part of a CSA because their areas see more of a contiguous level of urbanization, but lacking remote population clusters which are tied to the area.
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Old 01-19-2011, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Youngsville, LA
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They also include DeRidder in that one, but a significant number of people commute to and from DeRidder and Lake Charles. It's only a 45 minute drive. However, that number may not have been enough to include in the LC CSA/MSA.
The DeRidder/Ft. Polk CSA is simply the DeRidder micro area combining with the Ft. Polk micro area to form a combined area. However, I can see, due (if only) to the military exchange, a larger CSA forming with the inclusion of the Alexandria metro in the future. Maybe not in the 2010 census, but at some point.

And we might even see a split, such as the Ft. Polk micro associated with the Alexandria metro in a combined area and DeRidder joining with Lake Charles/Jennings.

I can also see the Ruston micro joining the Monroe CSA at some point. Maybe not enough to be assimilated into the overall Monroe MSA, but, at the very least into the CSA. Surprised it isn't already...

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Old 01-20-2011, 06:04 PM
 
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Alexandria and Houma/Thibodaux are MSAs that are not inside of a CSA so they aren't listed. Alexandria may be larger, but it is not combined with a Micropolitan area to form a Combined area.
I'm sorry about I don't understand this geographic nerd talk...could you translate that in English?
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:06 PM
 
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And you are right. Check the first page of this thread. You'll see that the Alexandria metro was the third fastest growing in LA over the last decade at 6.3%.
My bad....I should've read the whole thread before jumping the gun..I just knew something wasn't right when Fort Polk/DeRidder(which I thought was part of Alexandria's metro) were listed but Alex left off
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Old 01-20-2011, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Youngsville, LA
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My bad....I should've read the whole thread before jumping the gun..I just knew something wasn't right when Fort Polk/DeRidder(which I thought was part of Alexandria's metro) were listed but Alex left off
At the rate the Alexandria area is growing, we may see that happening. Can't speak for DeRidder, but there are strong ties between Ft. Polk and Alex.
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:06 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, United States
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I'm sorry about I don't understand this geographic nerd talk...could you translate that in English?
Combined -> 2 things joined or stuck together.

The list only lists combined areas. Alexandria is not combined with anything.
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Texarkana
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Darbro, you were, in fact, correct the first time. I misread the above explanation.

The 25% rule applies to adjoining counties (parishes) to the core urban area in order to form the metro. NOT the CSA. Lets use the Baton Rouge metro as the example.

The Baton Rouge metro consists of Ascension, East and West Baton Rouge, East and West Feliciana, Iberville, Livingston, Pointe Coupee and St. Helena parishes.

THAT's where the 25% rule applies. How the feds determined that the Pierre Part micro joins into the BR CSA remains unclear, as well as how any micro area gets associated with any other metro or micro stat area. "Under certain conditions" is all we get. What those conditions are? Who knows...

Then let's look at the Lafayette metro, which consists of only Lafayette and St. Martin parishes (25% rule). YET, there are four micros included in the Lafayette CSA, ranking it as the third largest in the state. I know why and what the feds are getting at, but would love to know how.

Back in 2005 (I think), the old method of rankings had the Shreveport and Lafayette metros virtually "neck and neck" with Shreveport at 385,000 and Lafayette at 381,000. That ranking hardly painted an accurate picture of the two areas as Shreveport obviously possessed a much larger urban core. THUS the arrival of the new method where the newly invented CSA provided a qualifier of sorts.

With the 25% method invoked, the Lafayette metro was demoted to a two parish metro instead of the previous four, YET, the micro area associations addressed the fact that there are quite a few population cores surrounding the area which "under certain conditions" became associated with the Lafayette urban core.

What those conditions are, I'm all ears....
Oh ok. Cool Jim.
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Texarkana
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At the rate the Alexandria area is growing, we may see that happening. Can't speak for DeRidder, but there are strong ties between Ft. Polk and Alex.
Isn't Alexandria's metro the 5th largest in the state? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Youngsville, LA
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Isn't Alexandria's metro the 5th largest in the state? Correct me if I'm wrong.
From other threads:


Metropolitan Statistical Areas - 2009 Estimate

New Orleans - 1,189,981
Baton Rouge - 786,947
Shreveport - 391,516
Lafayette - 263,171
Houma - 202,973
Lake Charles- 194,138
Monroe - 174,086
Alexandria - 154,101


Micropolitan Statistical Areas - 2009 Estimate

Hammond - 118,688
Opelousas - 92,326 (Lafayette)
New Iberia - 75,101 (Lafayette)
Crowley - 60,095 (Lafayette)
Ruston - 58,349
Abbeville - 56,141 (Lafayette)
Morgan City - 50,815
Fort Polk - 46,616
Bogalusa - 45,669 (New Orleans)
Minden - 40,544 (Shreveport)
Natchitoches- 39,255
De Ridder - 35,419
Jennings - 31,097 (Lake Charles)
Bastrop - 28,223 (Monroe)
Pierre Part - 22,874 (Baton Rouge)
Tallulah - 11,385


Combined Statistical Areas - 2009 Estimate

New Orleans - 1,235,650
Baton Rouge - 809,821
Lafayette - 546,834
Shreveport - 432,060
Lake Charles- 225,235
Monroe - 202,309
Fort Polk - 82,035 (Fort Polk and De Ridder)


MSA growth rate:

2000 to 2009

Baton Rouge +11.5
Lafayette +10.2
Alexandria +6.3
Houma +4.4
Shreveport +4.1
Monroe +2.4
Lake Charles +0.3
New Orleans -9.6

2008 to 2009:

New Orleans +1.8
Lafayette +1.3
Baton Rouge +1.0
Lake Charles 0.6
Monroe +0.6
Shreveport +0.5
Alexandria +0.4
Houma +0.1
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Old 01-20-2011, 08:01 PM
 
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At the rate the Alexandria area is growing, we may see that happening. Can't speak for DeRidder, but there are strong ties between Ft. Polk and Alex.
I wouldn't doubt it..Yeah...Maybe i'm thinking of Deerfield I don't pay much attention to these other little towns outside of Alex
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