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Old 01-22-2016, 04:02 PM
 
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Edwards admin. notifies La. universities of $131M in potential h - WAFB 9 News Baton Rouge, Louisiana News, Weather, Sports


Moving us forward ... Yeah , I know . It's Jindal's fault . What's the excuse going to be next year ?
This is addressed in Post #30 comments: let's hope the next 343 days will unfold favorably for Louisiana.
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The pledge Jindal made which 'GIVES" money to these companies was a terrible act and program. These acts here are part of the amounts that is now proposed to be cut from education, and surely that money will be used to pay off these locked in deals Jindal made. Our Education will suffer just to clean up some of the messes made by Jindal.

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Old 01-22-2016, 04:41 PM
 
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I appreciate interchange from informed and attentive individuals, "Thank you" for sharing the data from your investigative works.
We need more people who get involved into the exploration of variables- the better we become at truly paying attention, the more we are inspired to become functionally engaged to put forth the best in our efforts regardless of what our works entail.
It takes "All of Us" to make this State, its Parishes and its Cities to work and advance.
I'm not one who is motivated for the delusions of conservatism. Most of those who claim conservative can't identify what it means.

Therefore, it is evident we can't conserve the past in any aspect of the political system mentality of this nation, especially the segments and periods where all people were not regarded and or respected. As to Fiscal conservative, that is fiction as well, the Republican spend more money in more areas and it comes down to what you said. They cut in one place and double up spending in another, as well as bury so much earmarking aims within bills, until by the end result much is crashed, debt is increased and taxes cut for the wealthy while the poor and working poor suffer a deteriorated infrastructure. We don't need any more of that!!!!!
As people of Louisiana, we need to work very hard to get so many Republican out of our in-state legislative system. We need progressive minded people who can see and push for a future that cares about all people, gives good focus to children, youth, seniors and embraces the young adults with a system that deals with the new world they live within of tech, innovations, environmental concerns and fair play business and educations that is not made into some massive business enterprise, but more of a focus on being a sustainable education institution. It takes the mentality to understand the difference, to effect such changes

We need people to come together, get over the old once upon a time "Confederate Antebellum Mentality" and stop re-fighting the Civil War at ever twist and turn. We are of the United States, not some Confederate Organization of State. This is a big turn that is sorely needed within the mentality that it takes to move this nation ahead and stop ranking in the lowest level of every study and poll regarding life, issues, challenges and conditions as a people and a State.

It is good, already the new Governor is discovering the messed up deal that Jindal made which encumbered us with fiction and illusion and nothing substantive to support the give away's he set in place.
The problem isn't with fiscal conservatives, the problem is we've had a steady stream of state legislatures who campaigned as conservative (fiscal and or social) and then went back to their socialist or populist ways once elected. Many local newspapers don't really cover the state legislature and the voting records of the local state senator and representatives. Those voters who don't closely follow the state legislature have no idea how the people they elected are voting. There needs to be an end to the traditional Louisiana "Good Ol' Boy" network, an end to back room or under the table deals, inject humble and honest politicians, and balance fiscal approach between fiscal conservatives and social programs for those who truly need such programs. Make small cuts to all areas of the state government's operating budgets, temporarily limit capital improvement budget projects to infrastructure instead of cosmetic improvements or building new structures that aren't actually needed at this time. Infrastructure improvements can include changing out a government building's HVAC system or equipment, replace very old and leaking plumbing, replace a building's drafty single pane Windows for double insulated Windows, and replace elevators that regularly break down with new energy efficient models. As for universities, can anyone explain why when state or federal student assistance programs increase, the university tuition and administration salaries also increase by huge amounts? University football coaches receive about the same salary as the heads of the university. With the operating budget of football programs, does the price of tickets and licensed merchandise really cover all the cost of the program or does some of that cost come out the university's overall budget? How many of the courses and professors could be safely eliminated and still offer a well rounded education program? I'd love to see the type of courses I call "white man is evil" be eliminated entirely. Budget for the homeless could include joint projects with local area universities and vocational schools. For example, the university engineers and architects could work on a homeless shelter design that is cheap and fast to build and easy to maintain. You could have them and the vocational students working together to build the building. Another idea is to engineer and design portable homeless shelter packs that retain heat better than simple tents while being able to provide ventilation in hot months as well as water proof from rain and be secured on concrete, asphalt, or soil. Low cost, ease of use, and durability are all factors to be considered in the design. If a homeless shelter is built, what kind of beds would they use?
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Old 01-22-2016, 05:12 PM
 
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The problem isn't with fiscal conservatives, the problem is we've had a steady stream of state legislatures who campaigned as conservative (fiscal and or social) and then went back to their socialist or populist ways once elected. Many local newspapers don't really cover the state legislature and the voting records of the local state senator and representatives. Those voters who don't closely follow the state legislature have no idea how the people they elected are voting. There needs to be an end to the traditional Louisiana "Good Ol' Boy" network, an end to back room or under the table deals, inject humble and honest politicians, and balance fiscal approach between fiscal conservatives and social programs for those who truly need such programs. Make small cuts to all areas of the state government's operating budgets, temporarily limit capital improvement budget projects to infrastructure instead of cosmetic improvements or building new structures that aren't actually needed at this time. Infrastructure improvements can include changing out a government building's HVAC system or equipment, replace very old and leaking plumbing, replace a building's drafty single pane Windows for double insulated Windows, and replace elevators that regularly break down with new energy efficient models. As for universities, can anyone explain why when state or federal student assistance programs increase, the university tuition and administration salaries also increase by huge amounts? University football coaches receive about the same salary as the heads of the university. With the operating budget of football programs, does the price of tickets and licensed merchandise really cover all the cost of the program or does some of that cost come out the university's overall budget? How many of the courses and professors could be safely eliminated and still offer a well rounded education program? I'd love to see the type of courses I call "white man is evil" be eliminated entirely. Budget for the homeless could include joint projects with local area universities and vocational schools. For example, the university engineers and architects could work on a homeless shelter design that is cheap and fast to build and easy to maintain. You could have them and the vocational students working together to build the building. Another idea is to engineer and design portable homeless shelter packs that retain heat better than simple tents while being able to provide ventilation in hot months as well as water proof from rain and be secured on concrete, asphalt, or soil. Low cost, ease of use, and durability are all factors to be considered in the design. If a homeless shelter is built, what kind of beds would they use?
Many of these are things needed in the big picture to a greater degree !!!!

University sports need to be better managed, they waste a fortune and its no need for them to waste so much.
I once worked for a Schools District, I asked the question more than 5 or so years ago, "why have they not changed the exterior lighting to Solar powered LED lighting". We have many area we can save in a variety of State Related Institutions, but as you said earlier,- the investment has to be made, to gain the long term benefits.
I don't know what you mean about "white man is evil" programs, history and related has to tell the truth(s) which existed- and many of those truths are not pleasant and not of depiction of the favorable character of historical white society, We are barely 50-60 yrs from the media visible horror of pre-Civil Rights Violence, young people need to learn about the history so they don't make the same mistakes going forward, as we have a tremendous volume of work to do in our legal system as well, to address the old laws of which many were designed with a concern and interest to inhibit, prohibit and constrict as well as contain minorities. The only ways to fix it, is to address the negatives and work to make them become positive for now and into the future.
When it comes to Public Programs and Needs, given time with the computer becoming more proficient and the programs developed being more intricate, we will get better controls. But we also need to work on the professional profit making side of what is Social Programs. HUD did some good work during the Stimulus Program to address managing the amounts available for Administrative, they cut out a lot of waste in that areas, but there is still more to be cut in those areas for sure. We will continue to see improvement in Health Care cost, because now as the records become computerized to a higher level, and the administration learn how to extract "BETTER" reports, it will uncover many things, including the segment of the industry that prey on Medicare via apparatuses and supplies. It is very necessary to get a grip on Hospital cost in the area of doctor pays, in relation to the time and focus they invest in patients. ( I've seen doctors who service Rehab Centers, Nursing Homes, be "absent" yet claim to maintain a patient roster, and the Nurse Practitioner's is over stretched to the level in some cases only dealing with medications, while people result to have other costly issues that go unaddressed until it becomes a costly complication.

We can fix some of the medical issue by "program that provide medical training for contract agreements to serve the public at x facilities and in x categories. We can invest in various technical concerns to do thing like "set up specific facilities that have for example: 5-10 MRI machines, which can reduce the cost of MRI's and these can be staffed and reviewed by medical people who get their training subsidized or covered for commitment service contracts.
I still advocate for the Civic Corp, which I have a blog that talks about it within CD blog section "this is related to something that can be instituted from a Federal Level and State Associated. If we could spend $30+ billion a month for more than a Decade+ in Iraq, and give China $30+ Billion EVERY month in pointless trade imbalances, We should have no problem figuring out how to fund a National Civic Corp. Especially when it can do so much for our young people, this nation and the expanding array of blight, natural disaster and many many many many categories which these human resources can be applied.


At some point the nation has to make changes and these changes will involve States as well doing their part to advance programming in all categories. Louisiana can take a lead in a great many things, we simply have to open our minds, come together and grasp the realism that we have to build better all things for all people.
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Old 01-22-2016, 06:57 PM
 
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Many of these are things needed in the big picture to a greater degree !!!!

University sports need to be better managed, they waste a fortune and its no need for them to waste so much.
I once worked for a Schools District, I asked the question more than 5 or so years ago, "why have they not changed the exterior lighting to Solar powered LED lighting". We have many area we can save in a variety of State Related Institutions, but as you said earlier,- the investment has to be made, to gain the long term benefits.
I don't know what you mean about "white man is evil" programs, history and related has to tell the truth(s) which existed- and many of those truths are not pleasant and not of depiction of the favorable character of historical white society, We are barely 50-60 yrs from the media visible horror of pre-Civil Rights Violence, young people need to learn about the history so they don't make the same mistakes going forward, as we have a tremendous volume of work to do in our legal system as well, to address the old laws of which many were designed with a concern and interest to inhibit, prohibit and constrict as well as contain minorities. The only ways to fix it, is to address the negatives and work to make them become positive for now and into the future.
When it comes to Public Programs and Needs, given time with the computer becoming more proficient and the programs developed being more intricate, we will get better controls. But we also need to work on the professional profit making side of what is Social Programs. HUD did some good work during the Stimulus Program to address managing the amounts available for Administrative, they cut out a lot of waste in that areas, but there is still more to be cut in those areas for sure. We will continue to see improvement in Health Care cost, because now as the records become computerized to a higher level, and the administration learn how to extract "BETTER" reports, it will uncover many things, including the segment of the industry that prey on Medicare via apparatuses and supplies. It is very necessary to get a grip on Hospital cost in the area of doctor pays, in relation to the time and focus they invest in patients. ( I've seen doctors who service Rehab Centers, Nursing Homes, be "absent" yet claim to maintain a patient roster, and the Nurse Practitioner's is over stretched to the level in some cases only dealing with medications, while people result to have other costly issues that go unaddressed until it becomes a costly complication.

We can fix some of the medical issue by "program that provide medical training for contract agreements to serve the public at x facilities and in x categories. We can invest in various technical concerns to do thing like "set up specific facilities that have for example: 5-10 MRI machines, which can reduce the cost of MRI's and these can be staffed and reviewed by medical people who get their training subsidized or covered for commitment service contracts.
I still advocate for the Civic Corp, which I have a blog that talks about it within CD blog section "this is related to something that can be instituted from a Federal Level and State Associated. If we could spend $30+ billion a month for more than a Decade+ in Iraq, and give China $30+ Billion EVERY month in pointless trade imbalances, We should have no problem figuring out how to fund a National Civic Corp. Especially when it can do so much for our young people, this nation and the expanding array of blight, natural disaster and many many many many categories which these human resources can be applied.


At some point the nation has to make changes and these changes will involve States as well doing their part to advance programming in all categories. Louisiana can take a lead in a great many things, we simply have to open our minds, come together and grasp the realism that we have to build better all things for all people.
There are courses taught by professors who hate white people and teach their hate. These are usually involved in such liberal arts classes such as women's studies or black studies for example. To properly teach history, one must put into context the social norms of the era in which such events took place. By today's standards such actions are illegal, evil, and immoral. However, by the common standards of the time period they were perfectly legal and within the cultural norm. This isn't a method to say the actions weren't wrong, but it's to put the historical events in perspective of the time in which they occurred. But to focus solely on one negative aspect of history to paint our nation's founding fathers as evil is wrong. They were good men for the time period in which they lived. If you want to study slavery then look to parts of Africa and the Middle East where slavery is alive and well today. We study history to learn from the past, not to generate hatred towards a group living today who had nothing to do with the sins of the past.
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Old 01-23-2016, 07:21 AM
 
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There are courses taught by professors who hate white people and teach their hate. These are usually involved in such liberal arts classes such as women's studies or black studies for example. To properly teach history, one must put into context the social norms of the era in which such events took place. By today's standards such actions are illegal, evil, and immoral. However, by the common standards of the time period they were perfectly legal and within the cultural norm. This isn't a method to say the actions weren't wrong, but it's to put the historical events in perspective of the time in which they occurred. But to focus solely on one negative aspect of history to paint our nation's founding fathers as evil is wrong. They were good men for the time period in which they lived. If you want to study slavery then look to parts of Africa and the Middle East where slavery is alive and well today. We study history to learn from the past, not to generate hatred towards a group living today who had nothing to do with the sins of the past.
I don't know if they have truly overlooked the period and era norms, I think they pose question of challenge to the "Sense of Ethic's" in relation to the proclamation of being a Christian Nation, under the ideologies of Christian Values vs The Atrocities of the past Those are very severe conflicts within the human mentality.
As you say, it is not select to the U.S. history, but the nature of its prolific function for Centuries and the challenge and stand against the abolition of such in America. Within the Era and Period, Man had the knowledge and awareness of Christian Values, but put money, material things and profit and made skin color divisions a madness of despicable sorts, ahead of the respect of the human being. Then imposed classification of person-hood and non person-hood based on the beliefs in material measure and took pride in divisions by skin color to dehumanize others for fictional status and material gains; of which, much was derived from the brutality of enslavement, disenfranchisement and dehumanization of others. This was made more tragic for the white man, when; he too, at the same time preached of Christian Values, Ethics, Virtues and God principle things.
Brutal and Brutalities is of one thing, but Evil is Another - in context: Evil is far more atrocious in its acts of brutality when one knows different and better of what is the sacredness of the human being. Yet for the sake of money, material gain, vain status imagery and speaks one face of such as being a glorious aims and goals, without considering the means of such acquisition as being wrong in every christian sense.

As so, within the period-time of functional knowledge of God's principles were spoken of and taught of, about the unity of mankind, the compassion's and many graces of which the bible speaks as to people, love, and all of Gods Seven virtues. While at the same time, one is indulging the Seven Vices for self consumption and contorting Gods words in aim to justify it, and promoting such madness as a societal norm. This is where the attachment of Evil has been in part attached to "the conceptual imagery of white man".
In Ethical clarity, what is wrong today, was wrong yesterday and will be equally so, wrong tomorrow.
The subject material goes deep into the hearts of man, deep into the vices man pursues, while being under Christian values, all such things is an abomination of the Lord and of and unto other mankind, whom the Lord too, made.

Not all of such "white men" were driven by these aims and focuses, even at the advent of slavery, there were white men who had roots in many foreign nations, who abhorred slavery and inequity among human beings. These 'white men" in such a category did not have the voice nor power to avert the expansion and saturation of slavery to be made under legal premise, nor did they have the voice, stand and position to avert the laws of the land from becoming polluted with influences and codes that supported slavery and its persecutions and repercussions of legal subjugation upon and against blacks and in some case the dire poor whites, who were relegated to variations of indenture.

The Original Framer's of this Nations Constitution put in very good things, the greed within the societal function went astray and allowed greed, avarice and all of the seven deadly sins to become the dominant influences which further led to "white men", proclaiming the Constitution was only for them.
The white man chose abominations via his self interest concerns to be, and remain being to further become his focused driving force for his motives and actions toward, upon and against others. Thus choosing to embrace slavery over the great good of "unity of working together as equals in the eyes of Gods premise and principle as all being of Mankind".

One has to review much, even further in full spectrum to consider much in how the nation was captured, not discovered, because the Indians already existed here. then man has to consider how the same greed and avarice ultimately led to the demise of the native Indians, who were instrumental in the survival of the 'white man" within and upon these lands, and in term, not only was the Indians, demonized, they were considered in terms to dehumanize them, and ultimately to slaughter without mercy, through every means from rapes, child abuses that included everything from rape of children to the murder of man and woman, and wreak atrocities upon the masses and all who were non whites, for the avarice driven aims of seizure of the lands and its resources. That again, focuses on the material aspects, above and beyond anything spiritual or God like in the acts and actions toward and in relations with other mankind. These are too among the things of which labels of Evil was attached and applied to the concepts of what is "white man". To avoid learning of these atrocities, simply because of the label attached is not on a equal measure function, because the labels attached to non whites were as horrible and even more atrocious to the depiction of people, especially when people where under such vile subjugation's.

By act and fact, such things were in all respects of God premise "Evil'. All these things were done by white men unto, upon and against other mankind in the U.S. over many Centuries. (This should help give perspective as to some of the why's as to how and why "white men" have through his history been labeled as being of "evil".) In present day, not only blacks but many white people today, know other whites who still hold such vile thoughts of people who are non white, we call it "racism" among the many other labels under which it is noted.

This is a very broad and intricate subject on many levels. Through teaching, one can find much, which goes back very far, inclusive of the many who fled to these lands, as history has taught, were the disenfranchised, the poor, the wicked, the greedy and many other of character make ups of people fleeing and searching for riches, wealth and other such things in the new captured country. these were people who would never be accepted in the royal circles, they would never get beyond their class status, or class relegation's, and they thirsted for the live styles elements of what had been select to the royals and those of the class status to have such things. In many ways, they were of a great many who were "desperate" !!!!
One has no concept in forethought as to the aims, acts, goals and levels of brutality, evil, vile and other things that is within the concept of "desperation", that drives the desperate. Avarice takes a great hold within the 'desperate", thus making a "desperate soul", which is like turning the individual into a "desperate being", which is the insatiable nature of what drives Avarice. Avarice leads to a void of limits, as to what one will do in the acts, actions, vile, evil and brutality of which such a "desperate one" will engage to pursue the aims of what is Avarice.

Society today, has to face truthful learning of its past, in America. We can vividly point to it and talk about it and explore it when we are viewing people on foreign lands who continue to engage in brutality, slavery, indenture and subjugation's of every sort. But we feign, at the thought and exploration as well as the uncovering of such things about the history within this nation, as it relates to white people in America.
We too have to accept, that America in its founding era was saturated with a general population who were of much "ignorance". They arrived here, many with no education or very limited at best, as noted above, "they came being of "desperation's" with an aim for hope and glory to gain wealth and status by many, including any means, this was the mindset for a great many of those who arrived upon these lands".

As America people, we have much to learn- about the true American History, and through such there is many pains, and its painful learning, (we must not loose concept that much of history was written by the singularity of white people,therefore it excluded much and sanitized much). For a better nation, it is to the best of humanity within and for the whole of Americans, "to learn" the un-sanitized realism of actual American history. It can and will help lead us to become a better nation and better people and improve our respect for humanity; and lead us to live in ways that honor the truths of God Premise and live by God principles. We need not persecute one another today, because of the acts of the past, we just need to be better with and toward each other in this day and age.

In our State of Louisiana, we have to be even more focused to learning, we still have the challenge within this nation to work on Shedding, the conceptual thoughts around the nation of us being still of a Confederate, Antebellum Southern State. Hopefully, the Governor can too help lead us in ways that we can be seen as simply an American State, of American People in the best of light as being American people. Jindal, certainly to did not do anything toward achieving that goal for the people and state of Louisiana via his acts and actions, of which devastated so much in so many areas and supported and led a divisiveness that was and is horrendous. .

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Old 01-23-2016, 05:27 PM
 
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Moving us forward ... Yeah , I know . It's Jindal's fault . What's the excuse going to be next year ?
Jindals cuts and policies will affect this state for much longer than a year. Really wish you understood politics better.
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Old 01-23-2016, 06:25 PM
 
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Believe me , I understand politics . I understand that Jindal will be blamed for things for as long as it is politically expedient to do so . Just like they are still blaming Bush all of these years later . Did JBE tell anyone that he was planning on cutting education funding ? Did it come up during any of his speeches ? I would guess not . He was too busy promising Utopia to the gullible voters like yourself .
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Old 01-23-2016, 08:34 PM
 
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Believe me , I understand politics . I understand that Jindal will be blamed for things for as long as it is politically expedient to do so . Just like they are still blaming Bush all of these years later . Did JBE tell anyone that he was planning on cutting education funding ? Did it come up during any of his speeches ? I would guess not . He was too busy promising Utopia to the gullible voters like yourself .
That's because Bush policies are still in effect, just like some of Clintons.

I didn't vote for him but ok.

Your grammar is impeccable, I'm sure you know politics very well.
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Old 01-23-2016, 09:35 PM
 
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You mean like the 8 years of budget cuts we just suffered?

Sometimes taxes have to be raised when all your money is given to oil giants.
Thank you for your reply which was a needed dose of reality to counter some of the nonsense we see posted here that is based on a sense of out right denial about the disastrous last 8 years in Louisiana!
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Old 01-24-2016, 05:52 AM
 
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Stay tuned for higher taxes and funding cuts . It's already starting and the only thing the Democrats can do when it's pointed out is to hurl insults . SOP .
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