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Old 05-26-2016, 05:07 PM
 
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Don't worry, no one is coming for you collection of Franklin Mint Elvis plates.

Meanwhile, keep in mind that the only reason Louisiana hasn't completely turned into a third-world wasteland is because they are the 4th most dependent state when it comes to federal money. For every dollar you pay in taxes, the feds (by which I mean me and other taxpayers in actual functional states) pay you over $2. So feel free to keep suckling at that federal teat while you bleat about working hard and getting ahead all by yourself.
Wonder what that percentage would be like if you subtracted the aid given to citizens in New Orleans and factored in the money the federal government receives from off shore oil leases that in decades past went to the states instead of the feds.
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Old 05-27-2016, 08:36 AM
 
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$7.25 hr ? Bull**** . I work with the craft people all of the time . You're full of it . I'm not talking about contract laborers , but the actual trained electricians , instrument techs , millrights , lab techs , and on and on . The plants are full of them .
You realize that for every tech and cnc operator and drafter etc. at the plant, there are 5-10 general laborers, right? And if you don't believe me about how minimal the economic impacts of these plants are, go look up median household incomes in towns with plants vs. comparable towns without plants.
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Old 05-27-2016, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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I'm not going to argue about "towns " , but rather the effect that industry has on the STATE . The jobs and the tax dollars are beneficial to the STATE . Essential would be a better word to describe them . If you can't accept that , too bad .
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Old 05-27-2016, 03:14 PM
 
Location: nola
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Wonder what that percentage would be like if you subtracted the aid given to citizens in New Orleans and factored in the money the federal government receives from off shore oil leases that in decades past went to the states instead of the feds.
If you are subtracting the aid given to the citizens of New Orleans, you need to subtract the tourism dollars that New Orleans brings to the state. It's only fair. I agree with the money from the oil leases going to the state.
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Old 05-30-2016, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Denver
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I'm not going to argue about "towns " , but rather the effect that industry has on the STATE . The jobs and the tax dollars are beneficial to the STATE . Essential would be a better word to describe them . If you can't accept that , too bad .
You mean this budget shortfall?
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Old 05-30-2016, 09:07 AM
 
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I'm not going to argue about "towns " , but rather the effect that industry has on the STATE . The jobs and the tax dollars are beneficial to the STATE . Essential would be a better word to describe them . If you can't accept that , too bad .
Essential? Sure, because there's nothing else. It's would also be essential for me to eat a Big Mac every day if no other food was available, but that doesn't mean it's good, or that there aren't better things that can be done.

And even with all of this "essential" business, Louisiana is a mess. How many years in a row have they had a budget shortfall? How many of the years where there wasn't a budget shortfall were due entirely to the price of natural gas or oil being high? And how much of those surpluses was put away to transition Louisiana away from a "cheapest source of labor and resources" economy and into a "most value added" economy? Because that's ultimately the real issue - Louisiana is not a high value-added state. And it can be, if only people like yourself and the people in power stopped pretending like everything is wonderful (it isn't, obviously) and started taking real steps to move things forward.
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Old 05-31-2016, 09:36 AM
 
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Most people of Louisiana kept silent while Jinda spent his terms bringing down the State, not only did people sit silent, some voted for him to be re-elected, and then a mass of others did not even concern themselves with voting.

There was a time when Civic's was taught in 4th Grade, to build a make young students aware of government, its design, system and the responsibility of citizens to vote. Unfortunately in this age of society, people graduate from High School unaware of even who are local political leaders and many of those go on to become: "Non Voters", this is even more expanded when we have young adults, those who go to college and those who just hang out, who have absolutely no awareness of the value to vote. They often raise offspring's who follow their pathway to being "non voters".

Jinda was bad from the start, and people kept quiet, he attacked University Funding, people kept quiet, he denied Federal money to help Medicare, people kept quiet, he fought against money for Unemployment, and people kept quiet. people kept quiet on so many things and the devastated grew more expansive across the state.

Now, the result of all that silence is faced with a truth of the financial impacts even more so, when Jindal escaped his own madness without a scratch, and gained a lifelong pension for it.

Now we have to deal with the aftermath of the calamities.
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Old 05-31-2016, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Essential? Sure, because there's nothing else. It's would also be essential for me to eat a Big Mac every day if no other food was available, but that doesn't mean it's good, or that there aren't better things that can be done.

And even with all of this "essential" business, Louisiana is a mess. How many years in a row have they had a budget shortfall? How many of the years where there wasn't a budget shortfall were due entirely to the price of natural gas or oil being high? And how much of those surpluses was put away to transition Louisiana away from a "cheapest source of labor and resources" economy and into a "most value added" economy? Because that's ultimately the real issue - Louisiana is not a high value-added state. And it can be, if only people like yourself and the people in power stopped pretending like everything is wonderful (it isn't, obviously) and started taking real steps to move things forward.
Who said it's wonderful ?
All I said was that the jobs and tax dollars that big industry provides is essential . Ok , so there's nothing else . What do you suggest we do in the short term ? Run all of the industry out of the state and sit around and wait for the Great and Powerful Oz to come along and make everything better ? Governor Edwards is not going to tax us out of the mess we are in no matter how much ya'll think so .
And what are those "real steps " you mentioned ? Please , be specific .
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Old 06-05-2016, 11:48 AM
 
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Edwards was already a bad enough choice for LA industry, neither democrat presidential candidate will benefit LA. The state has only 2 fortune 500 companies, so some of the industries that democrats tend to hate are pulling the wagon.
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Old 06-05-2016, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Edwards was already a bad enough choice for LA industry, neither democrat presidential candidate will benefit LA. The state has only 2 fortune 500 companies, so some of the industries that democrats tend to hate are pulling the wagon.
Those industries ruin our state and keep us on their dime as far as their tax rates and who they decide to fire when the prices go up a half a cent.
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