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Old 06-04-2010, 01:01 PM
 
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I see you.

For those who have seen Avatar, this was the cry of the Navi people toward each other and also for the life of their planet.

Now that oil flows to pollute the Gulf of Mexico, Louisiana, and other states, its time to realize we need a new birth of the realization that we live on this planet and should not continue to pollute it.

We should not let the BP's of this world continue to stiffle the life of this planet. We must change our ways.

Its time to put our efforts not only to help our people and planet during this time of dispair, but to fight to change the way things are done.

Its so sad to see the suffering of not only our people but also the animals who are innocent in what is happening to them. Our politicians and business communities who pursue distructive activities should be stopped. Time for the people to decide the fate of this planet.

Just my thoughts on a very sad day indeed.
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Old 06-04-2010, 06:28 PM
 
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www.IBRRC.org to help the wildlife in the disaster.....
You can adopt, volunteer, or donate......get daily updates....
Our dispair in knowing that these birds are dying a horrible death. Full of thick oil and out in the hot heat of the days.
Such a sad time indeed......
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Old 06-04-2010, 06:33 PM
 
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www.IBRRC.org to help the wildlife in the disaster.....
You can adopt, volunteer, or donate......get daily updates....
Our dispair in knowing that these birds are dying a horrible death. Full of thick oil and out in the hot heat of the days.
Such a sad time indeed......
Thanks for this link, what a great post.
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Old 06-07-2010, 01:26 PM
 
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Our politicians and business communities who pursue distructive activities should be stopped. Time for the people to decide the fate of this planet.
Would you care to elaborate on that just a little? Exactly what IS it they need to stop doing and how do you propose to achieve that?
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Old 06-08-2010, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, La
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the planet isnt hurt much by this spill. Its mainly the people of the Gulf Coast who have to adapt to its effects. Local fish and wildlife will die as a result, but they will thrive elsewhere until nature cleanses the area. It will take years for that to occur though. This wasnt even the largest oil spill in Gulf history, though its still ongoing.
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Old 06-20-2010, 02:58 PM
 
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Corporations are the largest polluters of this planet; as individuals we tend to beat ourselves up too much over our dirty contributions, but for the most part this is just a distraction. Time and time again stories of atrocities perpetrated by large corporations get swept under the rug. Toxic chemical dumping, industrial plant explosions, oil blowouts...millions upon millions of people have died and suffered because of corporate carelessness, yet they continue to operate and make their millions BECAUSE of their millions. We cannot trust corporations; they are not human (despite the recent Supreme Court ruling), they do not have human emotions or foresee consequences because there seem to be none. They do not love you or care about you whatsoever. Their bottom lines are profits, that is all. Nothing matters but the next dollar and the easiest way to save one, despite the environmental, physical, financial, and emotional destruction they leave along the way. I just said this on another thread, but it bears repeating: what is the point of having a government if they do not keep corporations in check? Where is the goddamn accountability? Our government supposedly has checks and balances to keep power distributed evenly, but corporations are fast gaining more power than government. The changing times deserve a change in rules--corporations must be held responsible for the devastation they perpetrate!

This way of life cannot continue, for it is in no way sustainable. Nature must find balance again, that is just how universal law works. If they are not held accountable legally, karma will soon catch up with them and remind them that everything they've destroyed is infinitely more valuable than the worthless paper for which they did it all.
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Old 06-21-2010, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Youngsville, LA
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Corporations are the largest polluters of this planet; as individuals we tend to beat ourselves up too much over our dirty contributions, but for the most part this is just a distraction. Time and time again stories of atrocities perpetrated by large corporations get swept under the rug. Toxic chemical dumping, industrial plant explosions, oil blowouts...millions upon millions of people have died and suffered because of corporate carelessness, yet they continue to operate and make their millions BECAUSE of their millions. We cannot trust corporations; they are not human (despite the recent Supreme Court ruling), they do not have human emotions or foresee consequences because there seem to be none. They do not love you or care about you whatsoever. Their bottom lines are profits, that is all. Nothing matters but the next dollar and the easiest way to save one, despite the environmental, physical, financial, and emotional destruction they leave along the way. I just said this on another thread, but it bears repeating: what is the point of having a government if they do not keep corporations in check? Where is the goddamn accountability? Our government supposedly has checks and balances to keep power distributed evenly, but corporations are fast gaining more power than government. The changing times deserve a change in rules--corporations must be held responsible for the devastation they perpetrate!

This way of life cannot continue, for it is in no way sustainable. Nature must find balance again, that is just how universal law works. If they are not held accountable legally, karma will soon catch up with them and remind them that everything they've destroyed is infinitely more valuable than the worthless paper for which they did it all.
JEEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CORPORATIONS ARE POPULATED BY THE VERY HUMANS BEINGS WHO PAY THE BILLS IN THE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, now that I've gotten that off my chest, let me elaborate. The majority of Americans work for corporations, whether it be of the Limited Liability variety, or otherwise, we work and thrive from the PRIVATE SECTOR in this country! Any problem with this concept so far????

I count myself as one of those who is employed by a corporation. I receive a timely paycheck. I have a little card in my wallet that gets me $5 prescriptions. We take turns buying lunch for one another, etc.

But, here's the kicker..I get challenged daily to prove my skills over the next guy. NO Guarantees! Yet, I get better each day in what I get paid to do. Why? Survival. Because THAT is the nature AND beauty of capitalism! I must constantly compete with the next guy who wants my job. And what is the effect of this "unfair and unjust" existence? I keep striving to make myself more marketable and valuable. Oh, the inhumanity of it all!

Our historical system of freedom draws the best of the best from all over the globe. Ours is the best place to become better without regard to family name or skin color. The USA has been the proving ground for humans who looked for something better than what their lot in life gave them in their own country BECAUSE of their skin color or family name. Beautiful thing, right?

I once told a Brazilian immigrant who seemed to think that the very streets in the US were paved in gold that he got some seriously bad intel. Can't blame him really, as some expect automatic success once entering our border.

I gave him the horrible truth that life and work in the US is very competitive. Requires excellence and HARD work to join the ranks of the successful,. Now he's flying 747's, literally.

Nothing like a challenge to push each and every one of us to become better.

That's the American methodology. So please forgive my impatience with those of you who crap all over corporations as though they are somehow an entity in themselves NOT populated by regular humans.

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Old 06-21-2010, 09:46 AM
 
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Yes, corporate America is run and populated by humans, yet somewhere in the mix they have completely lost all sense of humanity. You have a very archaic view of the ol' US of A; what are your timely paycheck and competitive spirit worth when there is no clean water to drink, no soil to grow the corn that is in nearly EVERYTHING you consume, no Gulf of Mexico shrimp on your plate to reward you after a long day's exploitative work?

I agree that capitalism sounds really good; you are required to become better at what you do because you must in order to keep your job, which in turn creates greater skills, higher quality, etc. But the majority of corporate production is just STUFF that we seriously do not even need. Advertising, junk food, designer clothes, bombs--these are things we did not have 200 years ago and have been blindly led into believing we need now. Sorry to say, but chances are whatever you do is probably totally pointless in the grand scheme of things. It has all been created just to circulate money, money that will be completely worthless when the economy really DOES crash. You cannot eat your money. It will not bathe you. It will not love you on a cold night.

Like all other political theories, capitalism is one that sounds GREAT in theory but in practice is a sinister machine that destroys, pollutes, and fabricates anything it must just to "get ahead." But tell me, where are the Coca-Cola Corporation's jobs? Where are Walmart's jobs? Apple? Not in the hands of well-intentioned Americans. They are outsourced to China, Taiwan, India. Executives would rather pocket the money for themselves rather than provide their fellow Americans with timely paychecks. They DO NOT CARE if you have a job and can feed your family. And they certainly don't care about quality of the product anymore either. They care about saving some bucks. And when they can get away with paying a five-year-old Chinese child to do the job a 30-year-old American needs for a fraction of the cost, they do just that. Environmental and human rights mean absolutely nothing to many of the most successful corporations. You think they got there through "excellence and hard work?" We are not living in the optimistic heyday of capitalism; we are living in a goddamn nightmare where monsters run the show.

It's hardly your fault; you like I like the rest of us have been brainwashed to believe this is what life is all about. Competition. A hefty paycheck. But just as the animal kingdom competes to live, they also rely a great DEAL on cooperation so they do not completely destroy the very system that grants them life. Corporate America does not know the meaning of cooperation. The essence of cooperation is not in line with their bottom line, which is competition.

This system is completely unsustainable, and the earth knows that. This planet is so alive, and it always finds balance. A rigid system with no solid foundation must collapse. A system that fundamentally relies on greed, characteristically makes the weak weaker just to ensure "$5 prescriptions" for the higher echelons cannot last.

What's ridiculous is that it's already begun, but it takes a little longer for the information to trickle down so far to people who are still so soundly asleep. You'll see.
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Old 06-21-2010, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Youngsville, LA
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Yes, corporate America is run and populated by humans, yet somewhere in the mix they have completely lost all sense of humanity.
No, they haven't. We've been fed that lie for far too long now. So long that many are starting to believe it.

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You have a very archaic view of the ol' US of A; what are your timely paycheck and competitive spirit worth when there is no clean water to drink, no soil to grow the corn that is in nearly EVERYTHING you consume, no Gulf of Mexico shrimp on your plate to reward you after a long day's exploitative work?
Archaic.........? Please re-read your above doomsday scenario and tell me if your case has any merit. No clean water? No soil to grow corn? No shrimp? Did we just get hit by an asteroid? Or did we get hit by a freak oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico? Yes, we've got an ecological disaster on our hands. No argument there, my friend. But, let's please try to keep this in perspective. Some here have posted that this event will lead to the end of our very species!

WHAT!???

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I agree that capitalism sounds really good; you are required to become better at what you do because you must in order to keep your job, which in turn creates greater skills, higher quality, etc. But the majority of corporate production is just STUFF that we seriously do not even need.
Say's who, exactly? Not sure what you're getting at. Corporations usually start out as small mom and pops that came up with something that many people want and are willing to pay for.

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Advertising, junk food, designer clothes, bombs--these are things we did not have 200 years ago and have been blindly led into believing we need now.
Blindly? Bombs ended WWII. I know it sucks that it had to come to that conclusion, but there you are. Granted, they are a necessary evil. I'll grant you the junk food and designer clothes thing, but hey, if there's a market for that, then good for those who provide the product better than the next guy.

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Sorry to say, but chances are whatever you do is probably totally pointless in the grand scheme of things. It has all been created just to circulate money, money that will be completely worthless when the economy really DOES crash. You cannot eat your money. It will not bathe you. It will not love you on a cold night.
And just what in the heck is so wrong with circulating money? THAT'S how productive economies WORK! And regarding what my contribution adds to the fluidity of our capitalistic system? Ok, I'll reveal my own tiny role in this grand equation. I fly the company airplanes. Many of our numerous branch locations do not have airline service, so I move people from place to place, thus saving them many hours of road time otherwise billable to the big oil companies, such as BP. Just the fact that we owned airplanes was a huge selling point in order for us to land such huge contracts. Not to mention that flying on corporate aircraft is just fun.

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Like all other political theories, capitalism is one that sounds GREAT in theory but in practice is a sinister machine that destroys, pollutes, and fabricates anything it must just to "get ahead."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COMMUNISM is one that sound great in theory! FAILED miserably everywhere it's been tried. Capitalism keeps learning to become more profitable. And, in order to become more profitable, subject corporations must satisfy both customers and the feds, not to mention the media. Free market capitalism has spent more to clean up their practices than ANYTHING ever seen in communistic or socialistic countries. One only need to look at China. The skies there are a perpetual gray from all the manufacturing with not nearly the regulations imposed on US manufacturers. Nothing against these regulations, but my point is that all the corporations that we subcontract, they are self policing in order to remain attractive, if only to keep OSHA at bay.




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But tell me, where are the Coca-Cola Corporation's jobs? Where are Walmart's jobs? Apple? Not in the hands of well-intentioned Americans. They are outsourced to China, Taiwan, India. Executives would rather pocket the money for themselves rather than provide their fellow Americans with timely paychecks. They DO NOT CARE if you have a job and can feed your family. And they certainly don't care about quality of the product anymore either. They care about saving some bucks. And when they can get away with paying a five-year-old Chinese child to do the job a 30-year-old American needs for a fraction of the cost, they do just that. Environmental and human rights mean absolutely nothing to many of the most successful corporations. You think they got there through "excellence and hard work?" We are not living in the optimistic heyday of capitalism; we are living in a goddamn nightmare where monsters run the show.
Quick solution to this problem. Get the frigging onerous feds out of the way and just let mom and pop make decisions for themselves regarding their own risky venture (with the potential of becoming a big corporation), hopefully in a good spot on Main Street. If they choose to hire their babysitter, daughter or son to work the front counter, don't make them match dollar for dollar everything she or he earns to supplement stuff she or he hasn't even thought about yet so early in life.

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It's hardly your fault; you like I like the rest of us have been brainwashed to believe this is what life is all about. Competition. A hefty paycheck. But just as the animal kingdom competes to live, they also rely a great DEAL on cooperation so they do not completely destroy the very system that grants them life. Corporate America does not know the meaning of cooperation. The essence of cooperation is not in line with their bottom line, which is competition.
We're looking at a freak accident here. This IS NOT an industry trend! Quite the opposite. Deep water drilling has proven successful as a technology and practice for many years. The chain of events that lead to this disaster will offer many lessons and should require study for every operator that wants to get in the game in the future. And trust me that all current operators are well aware of what went horribly wrong that killed those eleven workers that so many seem to forget about...

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This system is completely unsustainable, and the earth knows that. This planet is so alive, and it always finds balance. A rigid system with no solid foundation must collapse. A system that fundamentally relies on greed, characteristically makes the weak weaker just to ensure "$5 prescriptions" for the higher echelons cannot last.

What's ridiculous is that it's already begun, but it takes a little longer for the information to trickle down so far to people who are still so soundly asleep. You'll see.
What's unsustainable is the government's spending. Period. We are now officially broke, with China holding the mortgage with one hand on the Flush lever. How does that sound?

Sunandsalt, lot's get's lost in the translation in the text that forums offer. But please know that I'm merely debating this issue with a smile on my face. If you ever make it to Lafayette, lunch is on me. We can then argue all we want over plates of fried flounder at Poor Boy's Riverside Inn.

It's really good.

Sorry if I sounded a bit harsh...

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Old 06-22-2010, 08:39 PM
 
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Just did check back in on my thread to see if someone from LA had replied. In reading the response and also what your Governor has had to say, it would seem that the people of LA want it both ways.

First they want all those oil jobs on the rigs and everything that goes with it. NIce to have that fat paycheck.

On the other hand, they want compensation for all those poor fisherman types who are doing all the suffering.

so it would seem that its nice to both fish and man the oil rigs in spite of dangers possibly causing problems . So guess for the rest of us who don't live in that area, perhaps its best to just leave the people of LA alone. That means no govt. regulation of the oil industry or oversight of possible problems. On the other hand, that also means no help for LA if things go wrong. you are then on your own.

Or am I wrong once again.?
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