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Old 02-01-2012, 05:02 PM
 
Location: downtown phoenix
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you guys are smoking bluegrass. i forget how rude and inconsiderate people in louisville are until i return from a trip elsewhere, anywhere. I was raised with manners and respect for others being very important. most here were not. everyone gets caught up in the fact that people smile and say hello. big deal, that's easy. it's simple actions of kindness and civility that i see ignored by locals every day. i would much rather live with people that might not say hello, but would never consider cutting in line or say stealing a shopping cart out from under your nose. people with the consideration to realize that they in fact are not the only one in the store aisle or the only driver on the road. they would use turn signals and exercise an awareness that maybe they are disturbing others with thier loud cars, bikes or just obnoxious voices. I have never been in a city that accepts blowing out your snot-locker in the middle of a crowded reataurant full of other diners. It seems i cannot eat a single meal in this town in which this doesn't happen. at any price level from varanese to waffle house. but they smile and say hello as they dig for gold during dinner.
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Old 02-01-2012, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Louisville KY Metro area
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you guys are smoking bluegrass. i forget how rude and inconsiderate people in louisville are until i return from a trip elsewhere, anywhere. I was raised with manners and respect for others being very important. most here were not. everyone gets caught up in the fact that people smile and say hello. big deal, that's easy. it's simple actions of kindness and civility that i see ignored by locals every day. i would much rather live with people that might not say hello, but would never consider cutting in line or say stealing a shopping cart out from under your nose. people with the consideration to realize that they in fact are not the only one in the store aisle or the only driver on the road. they would use turn signals and exercise an awareness that maybe they are disturbing others with thier loud cars, bikes or just obnoxious voices. I have never been in a city that accepts blowing out your snot-locker in the middle of a crowded reataurant full of other diners. It seems i cannot eat a single meal in this town in which this doesn't happen. at any price level from varanese to waffle house. but they smile and say hello as they dig for gold during dinner.
Kytoaz, are you smoking quack grass? I am sorry you don't like Louisville. That is fine, but to paint this entire community through your smoke filled glasses is quite an insult to the hundreds of thousands of caring friendly folks that you won't allow yourself to know. You've said your piece, we heard you, but we don't necessarily agree with you.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:01 PM
 
Location: Not Moving
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Major culture shock moving from SD to LKY........I know, because I did it. Weather sucks. No beach. Visually, not very pretty country in the winter. The schools are atrocious, and one of the big reasons we left. Yes, slower pace of life, but s l o w compared to SD.

I have to agree with most of what EE has written.......sorry, but true.
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Old 02-01-2012, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Not Moving
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Lastly............Louisville is very INSULAR...which is the point EE and kytoaz is trying to get across. It is something Louisville has to Rise Above.......but hasn't quite learned to.
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Near L.A.
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Major culture shock moving from SD to LKY........I know, because I did it. Weather sucks. No beach. Visually, not very pretty country in the winter. The schools are atrocious, and one of the big reasons we left. Yes, slower pace of life, but s l o w compared to SD.

I have to agree with most of what EE has written.......sorry, but true.
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Lastly............Louisville is very INSULAR...which is the point EE and kytoaz is trying to get across. It is something Louisville has to Rise Above.......but hasn't quite learned to.
Ding, ding, ding!!!!

The weather is horrible, although Kentucky tends to be having a milder than normal winter. That has some with severe thunderstorms and tornadoes, unfortunately, something that we seldom have to contend with in California.

No beaches. Check.

Not visually pretty in the winter. Triple check! Seeing brown twigs on hills off into the horizon is depressing to me.

Atrocious schools. Save for the systems I mentioned, this is true.

Insularity. Quadruple check!

Look, Louisville can really, truly afford a great quality of life. The cost of living is about 1/4 of San Diego. More than $1 billion has been spent to revitalize downtown over the last decade to the point that it now draws people from surrounding large cities like Indy and Cincy for the weekend. Louisville east of I-65 has very little crime, for the most part, with the exception of Okolona. Yeah, the old city limits of Louisville has a pretty sky high crime rate, but Jefferson County as a whole is overall quite safe. You have great restaurants there, I have yet to find a city of comparable size with such a comparable dining scene; maybe Cincinnati. Olmstead is the guy that designed NYC's Central Park; he designed the park and parkway system in Louisville. IUS is part of the Indiana University system and offers one of the highest-ranked MBA programs in the United States; shows that Indiana actually fosters an educational system, and it extends its reasonable in-state tuition to Louisville area residents. Old Louisville, Clifton, Crescent Hill, Butchertown, the Highlands, and Original Highlands are all cool neighborhoods in their own right.

My advice to our new friend from San Diego? Pay the city a visit. Spend a good week. Check out the aforementioned nabes. Go downtown. Cross the river and spend some time in New Albany and Floyds Knobs. Drive around the countryside in Oldham County, drop by Downtown La Grange. Visit The Summit on the East End. Drive in the rush hour traffic on I-64 or I-71 coming in from the East End; yes, even coming from SD, I think you'll find it a nasty commute. Go on a date in some of the weird shops and restaurants in the Highlands. If you like Louisville, move there. If not, don't.
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Louisville KY Metro area
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EE's bottom paragraph has very solid advice. If you come to Kentucky, or if you move from SD to anywhere in the world expecting to find SD, you will be miserable.

This is Kentucky. We are unique in culture, in spirit, in attitudes and environments. We, for the most part, are a very good people. We don't have the best of anything, nor the worst either. Come here and adapt, and you'll grow to enjoy if not love it. Come here and complain, and you'll be the most miserable of miserables.


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Ding, ding, ding!!!!

The weather is horrible, although Kentucky tends to be having a milder than normal winter. That has some with severe thunderstorms and tornadoes, unfortunately, something that we seldom have to contend with in California.

No beaches. Check.

Not visually pretty in the winter. Triple check! Seeing brown twigs on hills off into the horizon is depressing to me.

Atrocious schools. Save for the systems I mentioned, this is true.

Insularity. Quadruple check!

Look, Louisville can really, truly afford a great quality of life. The cost of living is about 1/4 of San Diego. More than $1 billion has been spent to revitalize downtown over the last decade to the point that it now draws people from surrounding large cities like Indy and Cincy for the weekend. Louisville east of I-65 has very little crime, for the most part, with the exception of Okolona. Yeah, the old city limits of Louisville has a pretty sky high crime rate, but Jefferson County as a whole is overall quite safe. You have great restaurants there, I have yet to find a city of comparable size with such a comparable dining scene; maybe Cincinnati. Olmstead is the guy that designed NYC's Central Park; he designed the park and parkway system in Louisville. IUS is part of the Indiana University system and offers one of the highest-ranked MBA programs in the United States; shows that Indiana actually fosters an educational system, and it extends its reasonable in-state tuition to Louisville area residents. Old Louisville, Clifton, Crescent Hill, Butchertown, the Highlands, and Original Highlands are all cool neighborhoods in their own right.

My advice to our new friend from San Diego? Pay the city a visit. Spend a good week. Check out the aforementioned nabes. Go downtown. Cross the river and spend some time in New Albany and Floyds Knobs. Drive around the countryside in Oldham County, drop by Downtown La Grange. Visit The Summit on the East End. Drive in the rush hour traffic on I-64 or I-71 coming in from the East End; yes, even coming from SD, I think you'll find it a nasty commute. Go on a date in some of the weird shops and restaurants in the Highlands. If you like Louisville, move there. If not, don't.
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Crescent Hill
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Having said that, Louisville will provide the slower lifestyle and "real" people you and hubby are looking for. (To be honest, the people can be "real" rude, alright.) Anyway, given your priorities, look into:
  • Eastern Jefferson County, or "East End": arc from Bardstown Road to US 42 outside the Watterson Expressway. This is all part of Jefferson County Public Schools which have nearly 100,000 students, so there are a lot of schools to consider.

    Fern Creek, Buechel, and Jeffersontown are real hit and miss in the quality of their neighborhood schools. You might want to stick to the part of this arc north of I-64 for the best access to the best schools on the East End and in all of JCPS.
  • Oldham County, the best county school system in Kentucky
  • Hardin County, but try to stick to the Elizabethtown area considering the quality of the schools
  • New Albany-Floyd County, (probably) one of the best systems in Indiana
Oldham and Hardin would provide the best opportunities to buy a spacious house with some land. You can accomplish buying a 3BR/2BA in an established middle-class neighborhood on 1.5 acres and close to an interstate for under $250K. Add a few extra rooms and or acres and this can still be accomplished for $400K. Property taxes are usually much cheaper on the Kentucky side of the Ohio River rather than Indiana.

Don't come to Kentucky and make the mistake of overestimating or overstating what you think you can or should pay. Our realtors will see those red, cursive lipstick print license plates and eat that right up! (Tomocox probably wouldn't, though. ) I'll take it a step further and strongly advise you to stick to ONLY the three areas I recommended; Kentucky public schools are, for the most part, total crap while Indiana's are usually somewhat an improvement.

By the way, I'm new to SFBA and still exploring the area. I'm seeing this as a place to get my career underway before I move on somewhere else. I like it here and it is a spectacularly beautiful place to live, but the some of the people really lack warmth and are not exactly down-to-Earth. I'm actually considering areas along the Central Coast or North Orange County, San Diego, or Sacramento. I get the impression you're clamoring to leave SD.
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Look, Louisville can really, truly afford a great quality of life. The cost of living is about 1/4 of San Diego. More than $1 billion has been spent to revitalize downtown over the last decade to the point that it now draws people from surrounding large cities like Indy and Cincy for the weekend. Louisville east of I-65 has very little crime, for the most part, with the exception of Okolona. Yeah, the old city limits of Louisville has a pretty sky high crime rate, but Jefferson County as a whole is overall quite safe. You have great restaurants there, I have yet to find a city of comparable size with such a comparable dining scene; maybe Cincinnati. Olmstead is the guy that designed NYC's Central Park; he designed the park and parkway system in Louisville. IUS is part of the Indiana University system and offers one of the highest-ranked MBA programs in the United States; shows that Indiana actually fosters an educational system, and it extends its reasonable in-state tuition to Louisville area residents. Old Louisville, Clifton, Crescent Hill, Butchertown, the Highlands, and Original Highlands are all cool neighborhoods in their own right.

My advice to our new friend from San Diego? Pay the city a visit. Spend a good week. Check out the aforementioned nabes. Go downtown. Cross the river and spend some time in New Albany and Floyds Knobs. Drive around the countryside in Oldham County, drop by Downtown La Grange. Visit The Summit on the East End. Drive in the rush hour traffic on I-64 or I-71 coming in from the East End; yes, even coming from SD, I think you'll find it a nasty commute. Go on a date in some of the weird shops and restaurants in the Highlands. If you like Louisville, move there. If not, don't.
Having publicly called EE out on several occasions for constant negativity and Louisville-bashing, I need to also publicly appreciate and thank EE for these fair, balanced posts. Thank you.
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Not Moving
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I believe EE has always been fair and balanced, and more importantly.........REALISTIC. I know that gets under the craw of many, but he is not a troll.

I lived in LKY for about 20 years. Personally, I never got used to it, but it wasn't horrid. I left behind many good friends, the Highlands life-style, a few really good, favorite restaurants (Seviche, yum!,) and a pretty low cost of living.

The suggestion to try it and see if you like it is a good one. CA has its major drawbacks these days, but so do many other places.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:38 AM
 
Location: downtown phoenix
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Kytoaz, are you smoking quack grass? I am sorry you don't like Louisville. That is fine, but to paint this entire community through your smoke filled glasses is quite an insult to the hundreds of thousands of caring friendly folks that you won't allow yourself to know. You've said your piece, we heard you, but we don't necessarily agree with you.

i'm sorry to offend you (not really) but i just talk about the reality of living here. there are a lot of great things about this city that i often point out. there are also a lot of bad things. to say that people here aren't rude is just not accurate imo. I don't hate louisville and I don't feel i unfairly bash it or only talk about it's negatives. you, on the other hand, can only point out how great everything in ky is and how oldham co. schools are the best in america. extreme one-sided viewpoints are seldom correct.
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Old 02-04-2012, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Near L.A.
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I will say, in defense of the Louisville forum, that they're a lot nicer than some other forums. Try some of the following forums: Ohio, Cincinnati, Tennessee, Nashville, Texas, Houston, Orange County (CA), Washington (DC), and any Florida fora and just say anything that they perceive as negative. They will voice their apathy and "don't care" so viciously that it's actually offensive, if that makes sense. Or worse.

The Cincinnati forum is absolutely hyper-sensitive and if you don't like one little convenience store way out in Mason, they'll jump your butt. Exaggeration, obviously, but just to give you an idea. However, in real life, no one seems happy living there and there's this constant inferiority complex among Cincinnatians.

Louisville, on the other hand, has a strange inferiority-superiority complex in real life unlike anywhere else I've ever been. But their forum members are a lot nicer.

Interesting how things like this turn out.

Oh, and for your curiosity: I've stalked the San Diego forum quite a bit and it is generally pretty chill. You might want to do so, also. I hope SD the city is actually like that, and I'm wanting to travel down there to check it out this spring.
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