Ack. Louisville ranks #7 in highest increase in homicide (Lexington: real estate, crimes)

[hogsrus]

At this point, it's not even debatable...

https://www.wkyt.com/2021/10/02/loui...1LoQ6q_ZhA-6B8

[Peter1948]

Originally Posted by hogsrus

At this point, it's not even debatable...

https://www.wkyt.com/2021/10/02/loui...1LoQ6q_ZhA-6B8

What is not debatable? Louisville is a major city. It is having a homicide spike like all major cities. Louisville cannot be compared to anywhere in KY, a very rural state. Period.

[hogsrus]

And, what's worse? Some people attempt to justify it or somehow say it's okay.

[johnsonkk]

Originally Posted by Peter1948

What is not debatable? Louisville is a major city. It is having a homicide spike like all major cities. Louisville cannot be compared to anywhere in KY, a very rural state. Period.

Lexington, Ky, by comparison has far less murders than Louisville, even in 2020 and 2021. Lexington is roughly half of Louisville in population yet has 1/8 or 87% less murders than Louisville. So 23 last year vs. 200 in Louisville. https://www.lexingtonky.gov/crime-data

“All big cities have rising murder” is not a good response. Louisville was an good example on how to revitalize downtown but now it’s in the top 10 for highest murder increase.

Even if all gang violence, which has spread to the East end and even a school bus stop, is accurate and only kills “bad people”, it’s hard not to be concerned and justify its existence as “not a concern”. Nobody wants to see gun battles on a freeway or in your neighborhood. Any gunfire has the “right a way” and has killed innocent victims. The driver last year was shot on the Watterson was a innocent bystander. Tell him that it’s a rare occurrence and not a big deal.

1 year old was shot in drive by. https://www.whas11.com/video/news/lo...a-a47aa119c5d4

Cab driver? He wasn’t a gang banger: https://www.whas11.com/article/news/...4-8446da6b6295

Really unfortunate that the current mayor, who has over a year left, is not doing anything to turn the tide. No reason to think that a new mayor, from same political party, with same city council, and who is not outspoken about current mayor debacle, will make any difference. Even 2x may be a better candidate since his narrative is stronger than the mayor or the potential candidates.

Reminds me of the reason Chicago now has a website dedicated to cover murders in Chicago because of the lack of attention from politicians. It’s “hey”, then “jack”, and another word if googled.

[Oldhag1]

Originally Posted by Peter1948

What is not debatable? Louisville is a major city. It is having a homicide spike like all major cities. Louisville cannot be compared to anywhere in KY, a very rural state. Period.

How can you be okay with this?!?!?!?

So much gun violence is hard to believe, and it’s taking such a tremendous toll on kids left behind, who suffer emotionally because they lost someone or just live in fear because gunfire is around them,” 2X said. “The secondary trauma of all this violence is real.”

In the first nine months of 2021, 21 kids under 18 years old have been shot and killed. Compared to last year’s numbers, 15 kids were killed in 2020.

The number of children injured in shootings has also tripled from last year according to 2X, with 83 kids who were shot and sent to the hospital.

We are allowed to be outraged that a city in our state has this many kids shot and killed. For God’s sake, this is more than the number shot and killed in the entire state for the entire year of 2018. As a point of reference three children in the entire state have died of Covid in 2021.

One child was killed and two others were wounded in a drive-by shooting at a school bus stop in the Russell neighborhood Wednesday morning.

The shooting happened at Chestnut and Dr. W.J. Hodge streets around 6:20 a.m., WAVE reported.

You think everyone should just shrug their shoulders at kids getting shot, including one killed, while doing the nefarious act of waiting for a school bus!?!?!?! When parents start being afraid it’s dangerous to let their kid wait for the bus in the mornings in a city that city is in a lot of trouble.

Or worse, a kid just playing a game in his home.

Jayden Harris, 9, was shot and killed by a stray bullet while he was inside his home in the Newburg neighborhood Wednesday night.

"He wasn't doing anything but playing his Fortnite game on his Nintendo Switch, which is his favorite game. He loves to play Fortnite and just to get hit like that, it hurts," Jayden's grandmother Nicole Harris said.

[scully2010]

Originally Posted by Peter1948

What's his name? That may be one of the only innocent bystander cases. Maybe 5 innocent people off my hip. Meanwhile car wrecks kill 5 in one day. I am not trying to downplay it but literally quit acting like everywhere you go in Louisville, you are at risk of a stray bullet. That's horse hockey and you all know it.


Lot of gangs, immigrants, domestics, drugs...90% homicides are that. Ask a cop. Think we even had a road rage murder? Be nice, mind your own business, don't buy anything illegal, and statistically speaking you just are not gonna die in Louisville from getting shot by a stray, except maybe in the West. Now if we are talking catching a stray and living I think there is probably a couple dozen this year. That's too many but again, look at stats. Statistically driving the freeway of any major city is much more likely to cause your death!

I don't want to drill down to that level of personal information here and start identifying the families of my friends. I'm also wondering how anyone can personally determine that only "5 innocent people" have been murdered in Louisville. How are you determining that all of the individuals murdered were "gangbangers" - are you using the location of the murder, their skin color? What is your method of determining their "guilt" and lack of innocence?

And why would you say someone in a gang isn't an innocent bystander? One does not negate the other.

[Peter1948]

Originally Posted by scully2010

I don't want to drill down to that level of personal information here and start identifying the families of my friends. I'm also wondering how anyone can personally determine that only "5 innocent people" have been murdered in Louisville. How are you determining that all of the individuals murdered were "gangbangers" - are you using the location of the murder, their skin color? What is your method of determining their "guilt" and lack of innocence?

And why would you say someone in a gang isn't an innocent bystander? One does not negate the other.

Look at reports. Talk to LMPD and look at their case reports online. It's almost all gangs. Furthermore, Metro Council President and many others have reported it is mostly ALL gangs.

We have these people from rural KY coming in here acting like Louisville is Afghanistan and innocent, educated, non drug using citizens are being shot at random. That's simply not the case. It just rarely if EVER happens that a normal citizen is shot who is a good, law abiding citizen.

Most these cases are drug deals gone bad, and social media beefs w/ gangs. This has all been reported in the news.

[marino760]

Originally Posted by Peter1948

Look at reports. Talk to LMPD and look at their case reports online. It's almost all gangs. Furthermore, Metro Council President and many others have reported it is mostly ALL gangs.

We have these people from rural KY coming in here acting like Louisville is Afghanistan and innocent, educated, non drug using citizens are being shot at random. That's simply not the case. It just rarely if EVER happens that a normal citizen is shot who is a good, law abiding citizen.

Most these cases are drug deals gone bad, and social media beefs w/ gangs. This has all been reported in the news.

Now I don't see the point of your post. Of course it's gang related. Does that make it better? Still, if you're at the wrong place at the wrong time, you might get shot at as we have seen, or your kids might get shot waiting for the bus. You're just collateral damage.
The same could be said of almost any larger city in this country. Yep, it's mostly gangs, oh well, so what.....

Who the heck wants to live in a crime infested city, gangs or not? I sure don't. That's one big reason I moved away from where I used to live and made my new home in KY. And I may ad, that after the riots, I was thanking my lucky stars I was moving to somewhere not even close to Louisville.
Go ahead and make me feel foolish now for not wanting to live in a gang infested city that has racial riots too, including burning property and looting. No thank you.

[scully2010]

It's so sad. Too many murders. I don't see anywhere that the LAPD say that it's mostly all gang related. These are the stats that I see from the LMPD: https://www.louisville-police.org/Do...ide-Statistics

Here's a story from late September about a 16-year-old who was murdered and two other children shot at their bus stop: https://abc7chicago.com/bus-stop-sho...mith/11040686/

A man murdered in the east end in August: https://www.wdrb.com/news/man-dies-a...52fa5147c.html

Here's a story about three teenagers killed his summer https://www.whas11.com/article/news/...8-18f25e7c085d

In August, a 9-year-old girl and her 52-year-old dad were killed at their Valley Station home: https://www.whas11.com/article/news/...5-10bd6cd38487

Here's a 16-year-old murdered at her grandparent's front door in May: https://www.whas11.com/article/news/...d-bb55ec89c900

A 29-year-old man was shot and killed while he was working in the Highlands in August: https://www.wlky.com/article/lmpd-ma...lands/37388197

Here's a story from last week on a man found murdered in the Highlands and they have no idea why: https://www.wave3.com/2021/09/28/hig...ardstown-road/

A couple more Highlands murders this summer: https://www.wdrb.com/news/man-killed...f85ff954e.html and https://www.wdrb.com/news/louisville...996665f41.html

[johnsonkk]

Originally Posted by Peter1948

Look at reports. Talk to LMPD and look at their case reports online. It's almost all gangs. Furthermore, Metro Council President and many others have reported it is mostly ALL gangs.

We have these people from rural KY coming in here acting like Louisville is Afghanistan and innocent, educated, non drug using citizens are being shot at random. That's simply not the case. It just rarely if EVER happens that a normal citizen is shot who is a good, law abiding citizen.

Most these cases are drug deals gone bad, and social media beefs w/ gangs. This has all been reported in the news.

You’re ignoring the replies on here proving counter points to the “city is all safe”. Let’s say out of 200 murders, 25 were innocent bystanders. Is that acceptable and therefore no changes from the mayor OR city council? Why do we provide examples after examples but aren’t convincing you the negative effects of violent crime in Louisville?

Then there is general crime such as increasing petty crime. Assaults are higher, theft is now higher, property crimes (damage) are higher, traffic infractions are higher, shoplifting is higher, slower police responses are increasing, the list goes on. When the bad people in Louisville see less police and less effects on their crime, they will INCREASE crime.

Most friends have moved from the city to either the far East Jefferson county or Shelby county. It’s a mad dash towards Lexington. Crime is #1 reason.