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Old 05-15-2012, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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... Just think about the tax revenue to Maine from the property tax on a $2 billion property. In the Unorganized Territories the mil rate is 11 mils. That's $11 per thousand on property. Much of the new road would be in the UTs. Let's say it's 75%. That would bring in $16,500,000 in the unorganized Territories. Town tax rates are about double UT tax rates. In the towns where 25% of the road would be they would take in $11,000,000.
How many new acres of taxable land will be generated from this road?

I think that no new land will be created.

Every acre of land used for this road, is already in existence and already being taxed.

The tax revenue today, will equal the tax revenue tomorrow.

The Net increase in tax revenue will be zero.

No new land will be created, no new taxes will be generated.
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Old 05-15-2012, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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... Maine is open for business. There will be naysayers. We'll listen to them patiently.
What business will this generate?

Two years for a road-crew, and one restaurant in Bangor?

This road helps Canadians to haul some undisclosed resource from one part of Canada to another part of Canada.

What does Maine Get?

No new taxes, so what?
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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Take a deep breath. They will take land that is in tree growth and taxed at about $100 an acre and spend a reported $2 billion to improve it. Obviously it will be worth $2 billion on Day 1 or they would not spend the money. The value of an acre in Argyle is not the same value as one in downtown Bangor. How can you say a private $2 billion dollar project won't be taxed?

Undisclosed? Every truckload has a bill of lading that must be shown to any one of many officials who demand to see it. Any trucker can fill in the details.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Take a deep breath. They will take land that is in tree growth and taxed at about $100 an acre and spend a reported $2 billion to improve it. ...
Regardless of your breathing pattern, no new land will be created. Do you agree?

You implied that land that is currently not being taxed will enter into Maine and start getting taxed; that is not correct.

This new road is NOT all in treegrowth.

My understanding is that the $2Billion number is for purchasing the land, and improving it.



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... Obviously it will be worth $2 billion on Day 1 or they would not spend the money. The value of an acre in Argyle is not the same value as one in downtown Bangor. How can you say a private $2 billion dollar project won't be taxed?
I did not say it would not be taxed. All land in Maine is taxed [with a few exceptions].

You said that land not currently being taxed will then start to become taxed.



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... Undisclosed? Every truckload has a bill of lading that must be shown to any one of many officials who demand to see it. Any trucker can fill in the details.
So we wait until after all of this to then find out what this undisclosed resource is?



I am totally in favor of being open for business, but when tax-dollars go to help one corporation it leads to trouble. We have already spent tax-dollars on this.

We are going to spend more.
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Old 05-16-2012, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Way South of the Volvo Line
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If you look through our history you will find that there was always resistance to wide scale progress like electric transmission corridors and I -95.
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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There was resistance to the transmission of radio signals because they go through people's bodies. There was resistance to machines that make paper continuously because paper was originally made one sheet at a time. What many people don't realize is that these people want to rip out the roads, remove bridges and culverts and reseed the former roads with indigenous vegetation. That's their goal and they are very up front about it.
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Old 05-16-2012, 11:10 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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There was resistance to the transmission of radio signals because they go through people's bodies. There was resistance to machines that make paper continuously because paper was originally made one sheet at a time. What many people don't realize is that these people want to rip out the roads, remove bridges and culverts and reseed the former roads with indigenous vegetation. That's their goal and they are very up front about it.
How do you build a road if you're tearing down bridges? How many bridges have been removed so far.
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Old 05-16-2012, 03:42 PM
 
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When people ask what it's like in Maine I tell them it's like asking what Burlington, VT and Point Judith, RI are like. Maine is bigger than the other five New England states combined.

Burlington, Vermont has had growth. Not like any where else in New England, especially Maine.
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Old 05-16-2012, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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mensaguy asks:
"How do you build a road if you're tearing down bridges?"

I was referring to the Luddites who want no progress. However, many bridges have been removed since the paper companies all sold their land. The new owners are not good neighbors as the paper companies used to be.
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Old 05-18-2012, 04:02 PM
 
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Foxcroft Academy hosting public meeting on east-west highway — Piscataquis — Bangor Daily News — BDN Maine
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