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Old 10-24-2007, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Gambling?

Don't you know that it is a sin? it is evil! It corrupts and causes everyone to be immoral!




Or not.

Personally I do not usually gamble, except where the law requires it. It is just not wise money management.

I think that gambling is kind of stupid. The very few 'winners' are teasers to keep other gamblers returning with their money.

What bothers me the most about gambling is that the 'good ole boys' somewhere manage to get together and start a casino, and from then on they make massive piles of money. But nobody else can get into the business. A legal monopoly.

We lived in Norwich Ct, both before and then again later after Foxwoods and Mohegan were built. The money they make is in obscene amounts, but how much goes to roads? or libraries? or social services? or anything that you or I could benefit from? A daily total of 25 Million is not unusual there at either casino.

If a company from another state ends up coming in to run things, that is where the profits are going to go.

I just do not see the benefit of casinos, to the society.

I used to like Reno and Vegas, go in with $100 and play blackjack, waitresses in skimpy outfits would bring me free drinks and free sandwiches, so long as I kept playing cards. I could play the entire weekend, before losing the $100. Had a lot of fun too. But these casinos that I have seen on the East coast just do not do those things.

As to the issues?

Well when I read 'bonds' I think 'taxes';

So:

1. no,
2. no,
3. no,
4. no,
5. no.

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Old 10-24-2007, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Well there is great information and there are wise opinions here. I have to say No, no, no, no and no. Lottery tickets do enough damage to the working poor that dream of hitting it big. It's not the wealthy you'll see in local casino's. I just don't support gambling, but that's just MHO.
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Old 10-25-2007, 07:33 AM
 
Location: God's Country, Maine
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No
No
No
No
No
No!
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Old 10-25-2007, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Learnifying me some good at UMaine at Fort Kent
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Meh, I don't want to be blamed if things go wrong.
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Old 10-25-2007, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Those who don't vote don't get to complain, remember! At least if you vote, and it does go wrong anyway, you can raise your voice loud and clear in protest!! I, for one, want my opinions heard.
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Old 10-25-2007, 01:15 PM
 
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Meh, I don't want to be blamed if things go wrong.
Things have gone wrong. We need you to vote to help fix things.
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Old 10-25-2007, 02:20 PM
 
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1. no ( This one is definitely the most contraversal one, I might change that one if i see a good argument for it)

2. no
3. no
4. no
5. no
6. no

well at least the voting shouldn't take to long
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Old 10-25-2007, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Things have gone wrong. We need you to vote to help fix things.
And you think that any of these ballot issues will actually fix a serious problem?
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Old 10-25-2007, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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1. no ( This one is definitely the most controversial one, I might change that one if i see a good argument for it) ...
Well from what I have heard thus far.

'yes' means that a corporation gets exclusive rights to operate gambling, and that you trust the corp execs to actually give large portions of the profits to: schools, roads, and somehow lower 'everyone's health costs in the state. [I really scratch my head every time that I hear the one about lowering all of our health care costs].

'No' means that either: you do not wish to see gambling; or that you would prefer to allow it under conditions where the corporates are required by law to give portions to: schools, towns, county government, the state, etc. [and maybe even to allow third party auditing to inspect that the right amount of money is going to help our society].

I may be wrong about some part of this, and I do welcome anyone who can correct my understanding of the issues.

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Old 10-25-2007, 04:16 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Well from what I have heard thus far.

'yes' means that a corporation gets exclusive rights to operate gambling, and that you trust the corp execs to actually give large portions of the profits to: schools, roads, and somehow lower 'everyone's health costs in the state. [I really scratch my head every time that I hear the one about lowering all of our health care costs].

'No' means that either: you do not wish to see gambling; or that you would prefer to allow it under conditions where the corporates are required by law to give portions to: schools, towns, county government, the state, etc. [and maybe even to allow third party auditing to inspect that the right amount of money is going to help our society].

I may be wrong about some part of this, and I do welcome anyone who can correct my understanding of the issues.



It all comes down to how the contract and licenses are written. What I can tell you from first hand experience from an area that the licenses and contracts were well written is that for top of the line Blue Cross/ Blue Shield health Insurance we as a family paid $104 a month through my wifes work. Here we pay just a shade under $500 for a rather crappy plan through her work. A equivalent plan through her work is $998 a month. I think it may help a little.

Each casino has to pay the State 8% of "net Win" which is the total amount taken in on each game minus the amount paid out to players (net profit before overhead in other words.) and in addition they have to pay 2% of "net win" to local governments. Of this each local government and also the State sets aside a portion of their monies to go directly to each local school based on enrollment. I am speaking of the only place I am know about and cannot speak for anyplace else and the deals they have worked out with Native American tribes for casinos. The link is here for each "compact" the State has worked out with the individual tribes for allowing operation of casinos. (Payments to State and local governments are usually toward the bottom. Article 17 or 18 usually) MGCB - Tribal-State Compacts
where to find the local percentages are through the local government websites, I am not about to list them all here. A few minutes on Google, or other search engines will net you the figures.

I can tell you for a fact that each of the cities and towns that I know of that is around a casino have new, energy efficient school buildings. The teachers are in the top 4 or 5 for pay in the Country and the education is great all over the state.

Again it all comes down to the agreement between the State government and the corporations that run the casinos for the Tribes. A bad agreement, a bad deal for local areas; a good agreement and the local areas really, really benefit.
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