A Bunch of Subversives in Central Maine (Bangor, Augusta: sale, tenant)

[Maineac]

Must all be socialists (tongue in cheek) to want to prevent Peter Vigue from making a billion dollars selling his E-W highway to the Chinese. Darn grandmothers. They know that the recent months of silence on this E-W highway boondoggle just means Peter is working feverishly behind the scenes politically greasing the skids.

Maine Grandmothers Unite to Halt Plans for New Highway

[Northern Maine Land Man]

A generation ago, there were environmentalists who wanted to prevent I-95 from going to Houlton. Think of all the lives that have been saved by not running up Route 2 all the way to Houlton. If these new envirionmentalists succeed in depopulating Northern Maine and killing all the remaining jobs the new road will be built without inconveniencing anybody.

[Maineac]

Ah yes, the Great Environmental Battle over extending I-95 north of Augusta. I guess I, (and everyone else on Earth) missed that one. Where do you get this stuff? The main resistance to I-95 was the farmers whose land was stolen for pennies on the dollar by the State. It was completed late '50's, early '60's. There were no "environmentalists who wanted to prevent I-95 from going to Houlton." In fact, in 1947 the Legislature passed a bill with the intent of going all the way to Fort Kent with the turnpike. "Environmentalists depopulating Northern Maine and killing all the remaining jobs." You really, really have a vivid imagination, doncha? Seriously? Why do you try to pass this bunk off as some kind of "fact" rather than the seething political fiction it really is?

[Coaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Maine Land Man

A generation ago, there were environmentalists who wanted to prevent I-95 from going to Houlton. Think of all the lives that have been saved by not running up Route 2 all the way to Houlton. If these new envirionmentalists succeed in depopulating Northern Maine and killing all the remaining jobs the new road will be built without inconveniencing anybody.

Excuse me? I-95 to Houlton was completed well before there was an "environmental movement" to even think about opposing it. The only "opposition" I recall came from landowners who were going to see their farms split by the highway and town fathers who were angry there wouldn't be an exit to their community.

Seriously, where do you get this stuff?

[TerryDactyls]

But it is so much easier to spew out nonsense than to actually research the topic. I'm writing from Texas (only three more months before I move to Maine) where spouting off is a political mandate. Our current primary races are filled with bold statements that hold no truths whatsoever. As a matter of fact, the first comment made at last week's Republican Lieutenant Governor Debate by candidate Dan Patrick was (and I'm paraphrasing): "Tonight, everything you hear from me will be true." And then he proceeded to reiterate the same nonsense that had been proven wrong previously. I just love the politics of today.

[Northern Maine Land Man]

I-95 through Bangor, the S-turn in the "Valley of Death" over Kenduskeag Stream and bulldozing Mount Hope Cemetery were all controversial. They could have run the new road from Dysarts, west of Dow Air Force base and direct to Orono. At least now they are finally erecting concrete barriers to keep northbound and southbound vehicles separated from each other.

Where do I get this stuff? I lived it. Eyewitness reports are the best reports. It's like the shooting event this past weekend in California. Eyewitness reports state that there were two shooters in the BMW, but that doesn't fit the spin.

[Maineac]

Ah yes, the Great Environmental Industry Complex that fought to prevent the "S-turn in the Valley of Death" over Kenduskeag stream. They bulldozed the Ohio St. cemetery, by the way, and Mt. Hope was nowhere near it. The Davis and Charlie Babcock's farms were bisected. Charlie told me he got something like $18/acre. By the way, Charlie died in Kissimmee FL several years ago. What a character. Running from Dysarts to Orono would've bypassed the larger community of Bangor, trucking, etc. Where DO you get this stuff? So you feel I-95 should've circumnavigated Bangor and gone straight to Orono? And please, keep this up at the top of the list, because Darryl Brown and Peter Vigue continue working in secret to make sure the skids are fully greased to cleave the State of Maine in half for private profit and the ultimate billion or two from the proceeds of sale to China. (The likelihood of sale to a foreign investor already admitted by Brown and Vigue). If they can keep it quiet long enough, they figure they'll get what they want, which is to get richer. These old ladies protesting against the E/W highway should be what, NMLM? Silenced? They have no rights in their communities? None of the "Freedom" you so often speak about but don't seem to want to apply to everyone?

So where's your big environmental anti-campaign against "I-95 going to Houlton"? Fabricated? It seems as though those kinds of "facts" always figure heavily into certain doubletalk.

[Coaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Maine Land Man

Where do I get this stuff? I lived it. Eyewitness reports are the best reports. It's like the shooting event this past weekend in California. Eyewitness reports state that there were two shooters in the BMW, but that doesn't fit the spin.

Wow, how to use a strawman argument to accomplish absolutely nothing except to try to change the subject. I lived the I-95 construction, too, NMLM. I was there, and I was also there at the first Earth Day rally at UMO in 1970. In case you've forgotten, environmentalism was treated with great disdain by young people in those days because it was thought to be an effort by the powers that be to distract them from the antiwar movement. The environmental movement in Maine as we know it didn't really get off the ground until the mid-1970s, long after I-95 to Houlton was completed. The only major enviro organization in the state was the Natural Resources Council of Maine, founded in 1959 by Republicans! NRCM never took a position on I-95 to Houlton. In those days it was focused on protecting the Allagash and banning DDT.

And that's MY eyewitness report.

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by Northern Maine Land Man

I-95 through Bangor, the S-turn in the "Valley of Death" over Kenduskeag Stream and bulldozing Mount Hope Cemetery were all controversial. They could have run the new road from Dysarts, west of Dow Air Force base and direct to Orono. At least now they are finally erecting concrete barriers to keep northbound and southbound vehicles separated from each other.

Where do I get this stuff? I lived it. Eyewitness reports are the best reports. It's like the shooting event this past weekend in California. Eyewitness reports state that there were two shooters in the BMW, but that doesn't fit the spin.

What does this mean? That because there may have been another shooter in the BMW in that tragedy in CA - someone with some serious mental issues - that there must also have been a great "Environmental Industry" conspiracy to prevent I-95 from going to Houlton? What do you mean about the "spin"?? Some "liberal media outlet" not telling you the "truth" you want to hear? Please, explain, how the latter has anything to do with the E/W highway.

[mensaguy]

Pass the popcorn. This is getting fun.