Bill submitted to allow Maine gun owners to carry concealed without permit (loan, camp)

[FireFromIce]

No question about it. Crime, especially violent crime is low here. Some would use that as an argument against concealed carry, permit or no. They would contend that it's just not necessary. I say that the low crime rate is precisely why permitless concealed carry wouldn't be a problem here. Mainers for the most part are a peaceful lot. But there are some places that are not so tranquil. When I lived in central Virginia, the evening news most nights consisted of stories about the latest double homicide, home invasion, armed robbery or car jacking. They barely had time for the weather and sports. Tell you what. YOU keep your I-phone with 911 on speed dial and hope the dispatcher is not on a bathroom break or the patrol unit on a donut run. I'll keep my .32 automatic, thank you.

[TopKick's Girl]

By court or vote...and we are adding more voters to our side, than Fox News and the NRA can create what voters are you adding, the illegals Obama is giving amnesty to, are those the voters you're speaking of? I'd say you are familiar with a colostomy bag, at the rate you spew crap.

Originally Posted by floydDbarber

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

A comma separates the prefatory clause from the operative clause. The operative clause, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." stands on its own. The prefatory clause merely states a purpose for protecting the right. The Bill of Rights applies to all individuals. If the intent was to guarantee the militia the right to bear arms the amendment would have been worded differntly such as:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of militia members to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Instead it states the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The constitution does not grant us the right, rather it prohibits the government from infringing on the right that we already possess.

When you are appointed to SCOTUS I'll pay attention to your interpretation.

I'll say again, your "right" to a gun is only a scotus decision away from saying bye bye. Much like owning slaves, your "right" can easily be eliminated. By court or vote...and we are adding more voters to our side, than Fox News and the NRA can create. 25 years and guns will be have the stigma of a colostomy bag.[/quote]

[Maineguy04654]

I will let Spock splain this one to ya..

[znlwovuhrjw]

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I have a much better approach, but it's not going to do anything to anti-gunners.

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by kingdomkz

Try living in the central valley of California for about a year. You'll change your mind really fast about "there is no such thing as a dangerous place".

I used to fly hang gliders in San Bernadino at Crestline and have been all over the world from Maine to S. America to Beijing. Know your surroundings, know your limitations and don't put yourself in a bad situation. I can't figure out where you think I said "there is no such thing as a dangerous place." It isn't the place that's dangerous.

[Maineguy04654]

Originally Posted by kingdomkz

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I have a much better approach, but it's not going to do anything to anti-gunners.

Using logic on a liberal is like beating your head on a rock. The harder you try the more it hurts.

[Maineguy04654]

Originally Posted by TopKick's Girl

By court or vote...and we are adding more voters to our side, than Fox News and the NRA can create what voters are you adding, the illegals Obama is giving amnesty to, are those the voters you're speaking of? I'd say you are familiar with a colostomy bag, at the rate you spew crap.




When you are appointed to SCOTUS I'll pay attention to your interpretation.

I'll say again, your "right" to a gun is only a scotus decision away from saying bye bye. Much like owning slaves, your "right" can easily be eliminated. By court or vote...and we are adding more voters to our side, than Fox News and the NRA can create. 25 years and guns will be have the stigma of a colostomy bag.

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Please help me out here. What # was the right to own slaves in the bill of rights?


"It has been several times truly remarked, that bills of rights are in their origin, stipulations between kings and their subjects, abridgments of prerogative in favor of privilege, reservations of rights not surrendered to the prince. …It is evident, therefore, that according to their primitive signification, they [i.e. bills of rights] have no application to constitutions professedly founded upon the power of the people, and executed by their immediate representatives and servants. Here, in strictness, the people surrender nothing, and as they retain every thing, they have no need of particular reservations."

Alexander Hamilton

[Maineac]

Originally Posted by Maineguy04654

Using logic on a liberal is like beating your head on a rock. The harder you try the more it hurts.

Not hard to turn that statement around, but its the far right that's been beaten in the head so many times they just recite what's been fed to them by others. Kinda like the current administration giving "Amnesty" to illegals. An outright falsehood. By the way, GWB was all for "amnesty," but his bill got defeated by the lies and fear from the extreme in his own party. The "amnesty" required leaving the U.S., paying $5,000, and reapplying for admission (which takes upwards of 3 years). But I understand your frustration. It's a waste of time, for example, knowing the INA and Title 8 U.S.C. in pretty good detail, trying to convince someone that gets their information (and intelligence on loan from God) from likes of Beck, Limbaugh and O'Reilly. Oh, the INA and 8 U.S.C. are the Federal Immigration laws. They're actually fact versus what spews from the radio and TV.

[floydDbarber]

Originally Posted by TopKick's Girl

By court or vote...and we are adding more voters to our side, than Fox News and the NRA can create what voters are you adding, the illegals Obama is giving amnesty to, are those the voters you're speaking of? I'd say you are familiar with a colostomy bag, at the rate you spew crap.




When you are appointed to SCOTUS I'll pay attention to your interpretation.

I'll say again, your "right" to a gun is only a scotus decision away from saying bye bye. Much like owning slaves, your "right" can easily be eliminated. By court or vote...and we are adding more voters to our side, than Fox News and the NRA can create. 25 years and guns will be have the stigma of a colostomy bag.

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Oh please...Faux News viewers are dying off, Ponnie RayGun and Dubya also had amnesty programs...your thoughts are old and mouldering in the ground

[Northern Maine Land Man]

A nation without borders is not a nation. Europe is learning that. Germany has threatened to cut off credit to Greece. Greece countered by threatening to turn loose the 10,000 jihadists being held in Greece and send them all to Berlin. Your move, Angela Merkel.

Everybody knows that Greece can never pay back its debt. ('Never' is a really long time.) The world is beginning to realize that the USA can never meet its obligations either. As economists accept that fact there is a chill going through world financial circles. There are 92,000,000 Americans of working age who are not working. That means they are not paying income taxes and not spending much money in our economy. Our economy is grinding to a halt.

Russia has just enacted a law establishing the BRICS economic community with their own banking system. The relevance of the World Bank and the US Federal Reserve have been diminished. When The Adjustment comes in our country, where would you like to be, Atlanta, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Newark, New York City, Boston or Maine? I'm impressed with the people coming to Maine.

Several years ago, Charles MacArthur of Maine wrote a book called "The Adjustment" depicting the journey of a couple who left an area that was unsafe and went to a more stable area in western Pennsylvania. It is an interesting read and quite plausible. When The Adjustment comes it will be necessary for people to carry. Dialing 911 will not result an any effective response.