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There you go! One of each! You can never own too many guns in my opinion. You're right about the .38 ammo having less penetration than the.357 magnum. That's an interesting combination, how is the rifle configured? Does it have an interchanging cylinder like a revolver or is it like an over and under shotgun? Or something else entirely?
i have a nice thompson with changable barel 06,12ga.22 mag,3030.i like it alot the combo's are andless with it.
I just love to read these posts. People buying or "getting" guns for "protection", and wondering which gun to get.
I just wonder how many of the "experts" who offer advice have ever actually had to point a gun at a person who was a threat to them personally; then fired the gun, and then dealt with the legal and psychological aftermath.
A gun is a really nasty thing in the majority of places where people live. Using one is a very serious business. Without REAL training, an individual with a gun is a toxic waste dump ready to explode.
People should stick to commenting on things they are aware of. If a person feels comfortable in passing on information about something they know a bit about they don't necessarily have to be experts to offer advice. Most people on this forum will do the courteous thing and stay out of posts they know nothing about and let the others carry on a civil discourse without butting in! Some people don't like guns ....we get it. Some people don't like hand wringing liberals either.
I just love to read these posts. People buying or "getting" guns for "protection", and wondering which gun to get.
I just wonder how many of the "experts" who offer advice have ever actually had to point a gun at a person who was a threat to them personally; then fired the gun, and then dealt with the legal and psychological aftermath.
A gun is a really nasty thing in the majority of places where people live. Using one is a very serious business. Without REAL training, an individual with a gun is a toxic waste dump ready to explode.
Just like that! Where do comments like this come from?
I just love to read these posts. People buying or "getting" guns for "protection", and wondering which gun to get.
I do too.
It gets a conversation going.
In the case of firearms; the options are nearly endless. So to make a good choice does take conversation.
And familiarization.
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... I just wonder how many of the "experts" who offer advice have ever actually had to point a gun at a person who was a threat to them personally; then fired the gun, and then dealt with the legal and psychological aftermath.
I have.
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... A gun is a really nasty thing in the majority of places where people live. Using one is a very serious business. Without REAL training, an individual with a gun is a toxic waste dump ready to explode.
Just like that! Where do comments like this come from?
So, now I have been called a "liberal", whatever that is, and you ask where comments like "this" come from.
Well, I will tell you where comments like "this" come from.
Some years ago, I lived in a semi-remote area of Florida. I owned a new home in a developing area, and the surrounding homes were owned by people such as me: recently returned veterans from Vietnam. We had all be trained to use firearms against the "enemy", and we were all rational adults.
In the general area in which we lived there had been a rash of "home invasions" during the day, and several horrendous rapes had been committed. The area of Florida...specifically, Brandon, Hillsborough County...was undergoing extremely rapid growth. The local Sheriff was backed up by the State TRooper on the Interstate who had about 150 mile territory. This was a frontier town, to put a point to it.
Anyway, I decided to buy a .38 caliber pistol, since that was the primary weapon that I was trained with. I took my wife out into the palmetto wilderness and taught her to shoot it, when to load it, and to shoot to kill if she needed to defend herself and our two little kids. My duty required that i be in a locked down facility 23 miles away, five out of seven nights each week.
One night while at a neighborhood party, OUR baby sitter called in a panic because she heard someone trying to enter the garage.
That party evacuated REAL quick with about ten or twelve highly trained, highly motivated mid-twenties to late thirties American males ready to have a piece of whomever was messing with "one of their own.". I decided it was time to arm myself, and several others were "carrying" as well.
We walked down through the subdivision that was mostly unfinished.
We split up. One part of our group went down the loop that was our road on the left, and the other, me included, on the right. We figured we might catch the guy.
I stepped out from the shadow of a partial house shell, and watched this "figure' stand up from in back of a parked car and start toward the other side of the house that I was behind.
I ran around the house. I first thought that I might head him off around the house, and "hit him" chest high and put him down. Pretty dumb thought now, but when I was about 28 with my blood running hot, it seemed like a good plan. The figure that I had seen in the streetlights was wearing what looked like fatigues and was crouching and walking like someone who had been trained to do that: 'Hell," I thought. "We have a 'boonie rat' who has been in the jungle too long."
As I ran around the house, someone on the other side of the cul de sac called out: "hey: we think he is over her.". In the opposite direction.
I drew my weapon and when I cleared the other side of the house I saw....NOTHING. The guy had simply disappeared.
Remember this: I had my weapon drawn. It was loaded with .38 caliber rounds that would kill a human being, and I was qualified to use the weapon.
Earlier we had been told by the Hillsborough County Sheriff that they couldn't be everywhere, and we should be ready to defend ourselves if necessary.
THREE hours later the sheriff's car arrived. He had been backing up the State Trooper on the Interstate about sixty miles away.
As it happens, while driving to our call for assistance, he had received a call from someone else in our town. The call was for an "unruly child" complaint. It turned out that the kid walked in to his back yard as the trooper arrived.
He admitted that he was "in love" with a girl who supposedly lived on our street, and he had been looking for her home for several weeks.;..been stalking our neighborhood for several weeks.
The "kid" was sixteen years old. He was six feet tall and was wearing military fatigue pants and shirt. And I was ready to draw down and shoot him dead because his hormones were out of control.
Now, I and others were trained to know when to shoot to defend ourselves. Far too many people do not have the training to know what the weapon is, what it will do, and more importantly, WHEN to use it.
If I had killed a sixteen year old BOY that night, I would probably not be alive or sane today. Sure: it probably woldn't have been my "fault", but the ONLY thing that I would be remembering was that my victim had been 16 years old and horney. No way, No how, is that a killing offense.
So if this makes me a "liberal", whatever that is, all I have to say is that I will be pleased to match up my service record with yours, any day of the week, any week of the year.
But if the right to bear arms means that I may end up killing some 16 year old kid, EVEN if it was a rightful shooting, thanks: I'll put up the weapon and call the cops.
So, now I have been called a "liberal", whatever that is, and you ask where comments like "this" come from.
Well, I will tell you where comments like "this" come from.
Some years ago, I lived in a semi-remote area of Florida. I owned a new home in a developing area, and the surrounding homes were owned by people such as me: recently returned veterans from Vietnam. We had all be trained to use firearms against the "enemy", and we were all rational adults.
In the general area in which we lived there had been a rash of "home invasions" during the day, and several horrendous rapes had been committed. The area of Florida...specifically, Brandon, Hillsborough County...was undergoing extremely rapid growth. The local Sheriff was backed up by the State TRooper on the Interstate who had about 150 mile territory. This was a frontier town, to put a point to it.
Anyway, I decided to buy a .38 caliber pistol, since that was the primary weapon that I was trained with. I took my wife out into the palmetto wilderness and taught her to shoot it, when to load it, and to shoot to kill if she needed to defend herself and our two little kids. My duty required that i be in a locked down facility 23 miles away, five out of seven nights each week.
One night while at a neighborhood party, OUR baby sitter called in a panic because she heard someone trying to enter the garage.
That party evacuated REAL quick with about ten or twelve highly trained, highly motivated mid-twenties to late thirties American males ready to have a piece of whomever was messing with "one of their own.". I decided it was time to arm myself, and several others were "carrying" as well.
We walked down through the subdivision that was mostly unfinished.
We split up. One part of our group went down the loop that was our road on the left, and the other, me included, on the right. We figured we might catch the guy.
I stepped out from the shadow of a partial house shell, and watched this "figure' stand up from in back of a parked car and start toward the other side of the house that I was behind.
I ran around the house. I first thought that I might head him off around the house, and "hit him" chest high and put him down. Pretty dumb thought now, but when I was about 28 with my blood running hot, it seemed like a good plan. The figure that I had seen in the streetlights was wearing what looked like fatigues and was crouching and walking like someone who had been trained to do that: 'Hell," I thought. "We have a 'boonie rat' who has been in the jungle too long."
As I ran around the house, someone on the other side of the cul de sac called out: "hey: we think he is over her.". In the opposite direction.
I drew my weapon and when I cleared the other side of the house I saw....NOTHING. The guy had simply disappeared.
Remember this: I had my weapon drawn. It was loaded with .38 caliber rounds that would kill a human being, and I was qualified to use the weapon.
Earlier we had been told by the Hillsborough County Sheriff that they couldn't be everywhere, and we should be ready to defend ourselves if necessary.
THREE hours later the sheriff's car arrived. He had been backing up the State Trooper on the Interstate about sixty miles away.
As it happens, while driving to our call for assistance, he had received a call from someone else in our town. The call was for an "unruly child" complaint. It turned out that the kid walked in to his back yard as the trooper arrived.
He admitted that he was "in love" with a girl who supposedly lived on our street, and he had been looking for her home for several weeks.;..been stalking our neighborhood for several weeks.
The "kid" was sixteen years old. He was six feet tall and was wearing military fatigue pants and shirt. And I was ready to draw down and shoot him dead because his hormones were out of control.
Now, I and others were trained to know when to shoot to defend ourselves. Far too many people do not have the training to know what the weapon is, what it will do, and more importantly, WHEN to use it.
If I had killed a sixteen year old BOY that night, I would probably not be alive or sane today. Sure: it probably woldn't have been my "fault", but the ONLY thing that I would be remembering was that my victim had been 16 years old and horney. No way, No how, is that a killing offense.
So if this makes me a "liberal", whatever that is, all I have to say is that I will be pleased to match up my service record with yours, any day of the week, any week of the year.
But if the right to bear arms means that I may end up killing some 16 year old kid, EVEN if it was a rightful shooting, thanks: I'll put up the weapon and call the cops.
And hope for the best.
so basicly what you are saying is that you used poor judgement.runing around the neighbor hood with a loaded gun is not home defence thats a mob or vigelanti or what ever you want to call it.
home defence means just that your home and property.
For those that asked, the Marlin .357 rifle is a lever action that looks a lot like the old 30-30s you saw in cowboy movies. It has very little recoil and is pleasant to shoot. Remember, if it doesn't work out I have first dibs on it.
so basicly what you are saying is that you used poor judgement.runing around the neighbor hood with a loaded gun is not home defence thats a mob or vigelanti or what ever you want to call it.
home defence means just that your home and property.
No. What I am saying is that we had a group of highly trained, active duty military people who were warned by the local police department to be prepared to defend their own neighborhoods and their own homes.
In those circumstances, I was perfectly willing to drawn down on and shoot a 16 year old boy.
In point of fact, the shooting, had it occured, would have taken place around 100 yards from my own property, in an area that was underdevelopment. In other words, wilderness...land owned by the developer.
This occurence was the final one of ten or eleven such "calls" from baby sitters in our neighborhood. And the men in the group had had enough of this sort of issue.
Now, I have been back to that neighborhood since that time. Today, Brandon, Florida is a fine town with its own police force, and such occurrences would never occur. But back then, it was wilderness.
The point to be made here is that before you actually draw a weapon to kill another person, you had better be well aware of why and whom you are killing.
I sincerly doubt that it will happen while you are sitting there calmly while soem perpetrator jimmies the kitchen window....if you wake up and someone is standing in your bedroom, it is too late. If that happens and you can get to your gun, good well and good. My guess is that if you need to shoot someone trying to harm you, it will be out in the front yard, in the dark of night, and it will be "what you thought, " versus what the opinon of the State Police investigator thougth what the real situation was at the time of the shooting.
In my case, I think I would have been found innocent of committing a crime, since this was the tenth or so call made to the Hillsborough County Sheriff's department, and they had made a day time training visit to the wives in the area to train them how to shoot to protect themselves.
But in this day and age, I am not sure that it would be so easy. And I sure would not rest easily knowing that "we" had defended our neighborhood at the cost of a horney kid's life.
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