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Old 04-11-2009, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Maine
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Reasonable enough to adapt to No. Va.? Perhaps you should lobby for similar regulations in that state? I don't mean to seem stubborn here but,.......... reasonable to one may not be to another. There are those of us that get our hackles up a bit when it comes to more rules and regulations crammed down our throats. Ask a few of your neighbors if they think they need more regulations.
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Old 04-11-2009, 12:39 PM
 
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i read somewhere, that maine has the highest gun rate (ownership) per capita, and also one of the lowest crime rates.
if we had restrictive gun laws, and only the criminals had the guns, crime rates would skyrocket...
i've got to believe, one of the reasons maine crime rate is so low, is that its a given, most maine households have a gun in them,,,,
(i've yet to hear of any deerhunters getting mugged or robbed)

as one person once stated, until you eliminate the guns from the criminals, don't ask law-abiding folks to give up thiers
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Old 04-11-2009, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Hidin' out on the Mexican border;about to move to the Canadian border
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More than one experiment along the lines of provide MORE freedom to bear arms rather than less has proven that it works. Crime rates dropped. If you talk to law enforcement officers, most of them will tell you, surprise, surprise, that they support the rights of individuals to posses firearms. Cops are big believers in deterrents, stop it before it starts. And knowing there might be guns around accomplishes that.
And you bring up one of the best arguments I've head, MBM, for why we should be allowed to keep our guns. Let's face it. It would be unconstitutional to take away guns from honest people as long as they are still available to anyone else, including the military and law enforcement.
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Old 04-11-2009, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Reasonable enough to adapt to No. Va.? Perhaps you should lobby for similar regulations in that state? I don't mean to seem stubborn here but,.......... reasonable to one may not be to another.
Well, I was saying that the two sections of a recent Supreme Court decision seemed reasonable to me. There is nothing to "adapt" to Virginia, or Maine, or any other state. The decision includes:

"The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."

It's up to individual states to determine what, if any, "conditions and qualifications" (like background checks at gun shows) they want to enact. To me, it's reasonable to leave this up to the states. But I agree that what is reasonable to one person may not be reasonable to another.

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as one person once stated, until you eliminate the guns from the criminals, don't ask law-abiding folks to give up thiers
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Let's face it. It would be unconstitutional to take away guns from honest people as long as they are still available to anyone else, including the military and law enforcement.
And nothing in any of the proposed laws mentioned in this thread say anything about law-abiding folks giving up their firearms or having their firearms taken away from them. Nothing.
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Old 04-11-2009, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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Lest there be any doubt, Maine is a "must issue" state. If you want to carry concealed they must issue you a permit within 60 days. Most people walk in and walk out with the permit just as they do for a vehicle registration. If you are unknown to the town,l they will run a check to be sure you are not a felon. Of course prisoners and felons are not allowed to carry. Children are not allowed to cary concealed, but they can hunt at age 10 in Maine.
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Old 04-11-2009, 03:43 PM
 
Location: some where maine
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[quote=GreenGene;8297544]Well,




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And nothing in any of the proposed laws mentioned in this thread say anything about law-abiding folks giving up their firearms or having their firearms taken away from them. Nothing.
your right it does not say that.What it does say is that if i want to loan my son or a brother or friend i need to take and drop it off at a licensed FAD and they can go pick it up for 10 bucks.most of you who know me know I'm blunt.so here go's.this is a bull sh$% law brought to us by morons.and the people that support it are idiots.why in he!! would i have to or want to take my gun to a FFD so my son could borrow it.that's basically asking the states permission to let some one borrow it.it my gun and if i want to let some one use it i will and will not ask for permission to do so.if this law passes it just one more step towards disarmament.
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Old 04-11-2009, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Hidin' out on the Mexican border;about to move to the Canadian border
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Restricting access to guns is the same thing as taking them away. And a lot of the laws that the anti gun lobbyists are pushing would result in gun owners being put in the position of either surrendering their guns or illegally keeping them, this forcing them into the position of criminality. Which brings up another issue. Guns are not cheap. If you opt to give them up, how do you do it? The options for recipients will be so minimal that not only will it be difficult to sell them or give them away, the value of the guns will bottom out.
And nobody said I had to stick to issues regarding firearms that someone else already mentioned in this thread. Mentioned or not, restrictions on guns will result in some gun owners having to give up their guns, if they intend to comply with the new laws and regs.
Believe it or not, some of us would like to see SENSIBLE rules and regs on guns. Yes, by all means, do background checks. Yes, no more letting people buy guns at guns shows--or anywhere else-- and simply walk away. Age limits, education, safety, yes! Does a deer hunter need a semi automatic? Now THAT is ridiculous!
The mom in Florida who shot her son, then, herself is the latest tragedy we can expect to have shoved in our faces. Should the gun club be held responsible? Don't know. Should they be required to have a fairly stiff screening for anyone using the range? That should be a "DUH!" the size of Texas. She would have found another way, I agree. But the range would have been eliminated as a possibility, and maybe created a delay during which someone would have noticed how disturbed she was and interceded.
It's about balance. Guns are not deadly until an irresponsible, uneducated individual picks it up and decides that it is a toy or a source of power. Don't control the guns. Control the actions of the people who are using them.
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Old 04-11-2009, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Thank you Ranger for saying what I was diplomatically trying to point out.
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Old 04-11-2009, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Hidin' out on the Mexican border;about to move to the Canadian border
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Lest there be any doubt, Maine is a "must issue" state. If you want to carry concealed they must issue you a permit within 60 days. Most people walk in and walk out with the permit just as they do for a vehicle registration. If you are unknown to the town,l they will run a check to be sure you are not a felon. Of course prisoners and felons are not allowed to carry. Children are not allowed to cary concealed, but they can hunt at age 10 in Maine.
I asked about this before, when we were preparing to move. Probably you who gave me this info, NMLM. I let my license in Texas expire, and I don't really see the need for one here in Maine. (How's that for a compliment, Calais?) Anyway, I still figure to get one just so that I can carry mine when I go to the big city. You never know what can happen.
What I wanted to point out was that most states (Maine not among them) that have concealed handgun laws honor Texas, while Texas will only honor a few, only LA and OK at last count. Why? The rules in Texas are almost harsh by comparison. It takes weeks to get a license. You have a background check that goes beyond the state line, you have to have a training that takes all day and has to be repeated for renewal, and you must go to a range and prove that you can safely handle the gun and hit the target. If you mess up, ie, get a DUI, etc., you lose the license. And the cost is enough for most people to take heed of the rules for keeping their license.
I repeat. It's about common sense. Children not being allowed to carry a concealed gun when they can hunt is a good example. I would assume that most kids hunt in the company of a responsible adult. And I hope they wouldn't be in a place alone where they might need a concealed weapon.
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Old 04-11-2009, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Teton Valley Idaho
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Well,




your right it does not say that.What it does say is that if i want to loan my son or a brother or friend i need to take and drop it off at a licensed FAD and they can go pick it up for 10 bucks.most of you who know me know I'm blunt.so here go's.this is a bull sh$% law brought to us by morons.and the people that support it are idiots.why in he!! would i have to or want to take my gun to a FFD so my son could borrow it.that's basically asking the states permission to let some one borrow it.it my gun and if i want to let some one use it i will and will not ask for permission to do so.if this law passes it just one more step towards disarmament.

exactly, and thanks for turning this back on the proposed bill in MAINE before this thread goes to lock down.
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