November Elections in Maryland, Wise UP Maryland (buying, casino)

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by InvaderBryce

So you don't have a problem w/ vote id laws at all? You actually believe that there is widespread fraud amongst the masses and now, oddly in an election year, the states must pass id laws and suspend early voting in order to crack down on this problem.

I get where you're coming from but from my standpoint, it just doesn't seem right.

Does it make sense to you that you can get carded for something as insignificant as buy alcohol, but you can't get carded for what is arguably the most important task of american citizens?

Better question, how would you feel if someone stoled your voter registration card and voted as you?

[InvaderBryce]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

Does it make sense to you that you can get carded for something as insignificant as buy alcohol, but you can't get carded for what is arguably the most important task of american citizens?

Better question, how would you feel if someone stoled your voter registration card and voted as you?

I'd be very upset. Now don't get it twisted, I think people need to be required to show forms of ID in order to vote, but the idea that there is widespread fraud going on is some BS IMO; that's what my issue is.

Now, I'm not one to believe in conspiracy theories, but there are a literally millions of people in this country who believe that a certain party is conspiring to suppress the vote of certain voting demographics in this country based on the types of voting ID laws being passed.

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by InvaderBryce

I'd be very upset. Now don't get it twisted, I think people need to be required to show forms of ID in order to vote, but the idea that there is widespread fraud going on is some BS IMO; that's what my issue is.

Now, I'm not one to believe in conspiracy theories, but there are a literally millions of people in this country who believe that a certain party is conspiring to suppress the vote of certain voting demographics in this country based on the types of voting ID laws being passed.

Again, I ask, how do you develop a reasonable argument of voter fraud if you don't even check ID in the first place?

[InvaderBryce]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

Again, I ask, how do you develop a reasonable argument of voter fraud if you don't even check ID in the first place?

I don't know?

[Zimar]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

So they need to make time to do this if it's that important. I understand that it can be challenging schedule wise but most employers will allow you time off to vote. People usually are able to do the thing they make a priority.

Ok... so what? Why would you make voting more difficult when you can make it easier?

I was a poll worker in a semi-rural area in 2008, and during lunchtime and right before and after regular working hours, I can tell you the place was PACKED. You had to stand in line. This is magnified a ton in urban areas. I was also a poll worker in D.C. in 2010, and there were lines the entire day. No one could just walk in and vote. It's not that simple. And more than some people have s***ty jobs where they aren't allowed to take an hours-long break on election day to stand in a line. And it's a gigantic nuisance to poll workers to have to deal with giant crowds on election day. These are people being paid around $100 to work from dawn till dusk and they're mostly retired old ladies who end up having to work almost the entire time. And now they're supposed to become legal experts and voter fraud police as well.

[wisedisguise]

Originally Posted by Zimar

Ok... so what? Why would you make voting more difficult when you can make it easier?

You are seemingly the only one so far who has voiced the opinion of one who worked the polls so I will place this one you.

How would YOU make voting easier? I waited in line in 2008 longer than I have for any election in 20 years. I have never seen so many black voters turn out for any election prior and I live in a predominantly black area. The line bothered me little - it was the fact so many people turned out for that election than any previously. I vote whenever there is an election no matter what it is - it is my duty as an American and I take pride in it.

How can you make it easier?

[InvaderBryce]

Originally Posted by wisedisguise

You are seemingly the only one so far who has voiced the opinion of one who worked the polls so I will place this one you.

How would YOU make voting easier? I waited in line in 2008 longer than I have for any election in 20 years. I have never seen so many black voters turn out for any election prior and I live in a predominantly black area. The line bothered me little - it was the fact so many people turned out for that election than any previously. I vote whenever there is an election no matter what it is - it is my duty as an American and I take pride in it.

How can you make it easier?

For many of those people, the chance to elect a black man as president was all the encouragement they needed to register and vote. Yes it sounds pretty messed up, but it's the truth.

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by Zimar

Ok... so what? Why would you make voting more difficult when you can make it easier?

I was a poll worker in a semi-rural area in 2008, and during lunchtime and right before and after regular working hours, I can tell you the place was PACKED. You had to stand in line. This is magnified a ton in urban areas. I was also a poll worker in D.C. in 2010, and there were lines the entire day. No one could just walk in and vote. It's not that simple. And more than some people have s***ty jobs where they aren't allowed to take an hours-long break on election day to stand in a line. And it's a gigantic nuisance to poll workers to have to deal with giant crowds on election day. These are people being paid around $100 to work from dawn till dusk and they're mostly retired old ladies who end up having to work almost the entire time. And now they're supposed to become legal experts and voter fraud police as well.

Your point is completely irrelevant and is just further making a meaningless point. If the wait to vote was this bad then whether you have a ID or not, it's going to be difficult to vote. What you are saying is apples compared to the oranges of this conversation. Having ID is not going to make voting longer. They still have to check the voter registration card so how much longer would it take to check to see if picture matches the person and the ID's name matches the registration card? Really?

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by InvaderBryce

For many of those people, the chance to elect a black man as president was all the encouragement they needed to register and vote. Yes it sounds pretty messed up, but it's the truth.

They should channel that same encouragement to make sure they have a valid ID as well. If they did it 4 years ago to supposed elect the President (they kept saying amongst black people that we elected Obama, which is impossible), then they can do it again to re-elect him. We live in a country where we have enable many many lazy individuals. And let me just say, and I can say this because I am black, that sometimes we as black people make excuses for our issues to the point that it's hard to tell when we really have issues. If people could risk their lives, get hosed down and struggle to get voting rights for people like me and you, then you can get off your behind and get down to the MVA to get an ID. People will do what is ultimately important to them. It was important to elect the first black president 4 years ago and the same can be said this year. Stop being lazy and stop making excuses.

[SergeL]

Originally Posted by bah43

Well people, it is almost time to VOTE OUT the county exec Ike Legget and the whole county council in Montgomery County. You have been seeing your taxes and fees go up and your services go down. If you don't believe me, just search George Leventhals comments he made back in May when they ALL voted 3 tax increases and 2 fees. You are paying more now to have a cell phone in Montgomery County, your utilities bills are increasing because we are the ONLY jurisdiction paying a cap and trade tax, we now have to pay $400 if we need to take an ambulance to the hospital...which we are already paying for in our taxes...Also on the state level O'Malley has been skimming you with all of his buddies (well actually THUGS) in the house of Delegates and Senate. Also, did you people know that $4Billion, yeah thats right $4BILLION goes towards paying for the education, medical, dental free housing, meals, cable TV, etc of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Yes people, the operative word here is ILLEGAL. Nothing wrong with Immigration but there is a problem with ILLEGAL Immigration and those who aide and abette in criminal activity from O'Malley on down, Ike Legget on down. Check out the facts because Casa of MD is a front group for a socialist takeover READ THIS: How Gustavo Torres supports Hugo Chavez of venezuala and the ties to Mikulski, Van Hollen, Leventhal, Cardin etc...you can find all that info on google. www.themilitant.com/2007/7145/714503
VOTE THEM OUT PEOPLE AND TAKE MARYLAND BACK

My vote was simple, I just moved away from MoCo and MD... Too many liberals around and my vote always get vanished...