November Elections in Maryland, Wise UP Maryland (District Heights: crime, home)

[InvaderBryce]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

They should channel that same encouragement to make sure they have a valid ID as well. If they did it 4 years ago to supposed elect the President (they kept saying amongst black people that we elected Obama, which is impossible), then they can do it again to re-elect him. We live in a country where we have enable many many lazy individuals. And let me just say, and I can say this because I am black, that sometimes we as black people make excuses for our issues to the point that it's hard to tell when we really have issues. If people could risk their lives, get hosed down and struggle to get voting rights for people like me and you, then you can get off your behind and get down to the MVA to get an ID. People will do what is ultimately important to them. It was important to elect the first black president 4 years ago and the same can be said this year. Stop being lazy and stop making excuses.

As am I and I'm not being lazy. I've been registered since 09 since I wasn't old enough to vote in 2008.

[Zimar]

Originally Posted by wisedisguise

You are seemingly the only one so far who has voiced the opinion of one who worked the polls so I will place this one you.

How would YOU make voting easier? I waited in line in 2008 longer than I have for any election in 20 years. I have never seen so many black voters turn out for any election prior and I live in a predominantly black area. The line bothered me little - it was the fact so many people turned out for that election than any previously. I vote whenever there is an election no matter what it is - it is my duty as an American and I take pride in it.

How can you make it easier?

In 2008 it was I think the second time people used voting machines in our precinct, and I don't know, people seemed so... mesmerized by them. So people have to get used to them and speed it up. I think the number of machines limits how many people can vote, and GOD FORBID a machine break in your precinct. If that happens you are royally screwed. But of course, paper voting had "hanging chads" and those weird problems.

There's nothing better than early voting to make voting easier. For one thing, the Board of Elections is already there, and early voting sort of justifies having it exist other than Election day, and it's a better use of our tax money to have the election spread out more than one day since the infrastructure and workers are available. Also, the people who work there are already there, they are trained, no one gets confused about their precinct, they know the whole thing with voting, it probably makes voter fraud and losing qualified voters even LESS likely. I mean, it's only common sense.

AND, what kind of fraud do Voter ID laws stop, anyway? The kind where someone impersonates a voter who may be dead or may have moved away? In that case, 1. voter registration should be reformed and updated more often, and 2. THE PERSON COMMITTING FRAUD CAN JUST GET A FAKE ID. Do you think the 90 year old little old lady pollworker is going to be able to discern a fake ID from a real one? Do you think a person bold enough to impersonate a voter isn't going to bother doing what naughty 16 year olds can manage and get a FAKE ID?

[wisedisguise]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

If people could risk their lives, get hosed down and struggle to get voting rights for people like me and you, then you can get off your behind and get down to the MVA to get an ID.

I am white but old enough to know much of the history of the civil rights movements of the latter part of last century. People were hosed down for trying to vote in the 50s-60s as much as it was to simply sit in other than the back of the bus, drink from any water fountain or eat in any restaurant of their own choosing. You hit a button many are afraid to go near. Those who want to see nefarious purposes for the requirement for ID - we have established the fact you need it for every other aspect in life - need to read what you laid out and realize the truth of the matter. Can you imagine the cr*p someone would take for putting that in a publication aimed at black readers? Mostly from the DNC....

I found this interesting
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1072053/posts

[Joykins]

Originally Posted by CommonsenseDMV

The reality is, everyone carrys some form of ID. Whether its a school ID, a maryland ID card or a DC DOC inmate ID card. Even Casa De Maryland makes ID's. If you collect welfare assistance, apply for a job, drive, go to a hospital, make a large purchase with a credit card, your required to present ID. If you purchase cigarettes, liquor, guns, ammo, lottery tickets, and even to enter a casino you'll be carded and forced to show ID. Its simply a way of life nowadays due to fraud and people taking advantage of the system that didn't require ID. Ask yourself if you would accept a check if the person didnt have ID would you cash it anyway? Would you sell cigarettes to a younger looking gentleman not knowing his age but taking his word at face value? Would you be willing to bet your liquor license on a sale to a younger looking person who failed to present ID?

The reality is, everyone has an ID of some sort. If you intend to function in todays technologically advanced society you will be required to present ID wherever you go. Gaining access to your banking account, buying smokes and booze, whatever it is requires ID. Hospitals often are limiting services to those who fail to produce ID because of the insurance fraud that has plagued the medical systems. Better limit the payout in services than lose money to a fraud.

Not having an ID on a traffic stop could cost you your freedom. If the officer has reason to believe that you aren't who you say you are, you can be arrested and fingerprinted to ensure you are who you say you are. The supreme court has ruled this is not a violation of rights, since so many people often lie about their identity to the police to avoid getting captured.

This isn't a political issue. This isn't about keeping illegals from voting. If they want a way in to do some shady stuff, they will. And they will get caught. For pete sake, just carry an ID to prove who you say you are. Its that simple.

Many of the poor without IDs are rural elderly people who do few of these things. I think I had a great-uncle or 2 like that-- pretty much off the grid.

[Joykins]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

Again, I ask, how do you develop a reasonable argument of voter fraud if you don't even check ID in the first place?

If a person comes in to vote and found out that the poll records show they have ALREADY voted, that's a good data point.

[Joykins]

Originally Posted by pgtitans

Your point is completely irrelevant and is just further making a meaningless point. If the wait to vote was this bad then whether you have a ID or not, it's going to be difficult to vote. What you are saying is apples compared to the oranges of this conversation. Having ID is not going to make voting longer. They still have to check the voter registration card so how much longer would it take to check to see if picture matches the person and the ID's name matches the registration card? Really?

I vote in MoCo and I have never had to show my voter registration card. They use the list of registered voters to find your name. Once they got me mixed up with my husband which was kind of funny, but we caught the error and fixed it before I voted.

[InvaderBryce]

Originally Posted by wisedisguise

I am white but old enough to know much of the history of the civil rights movements of the latter part of last century. People were hosed down for trying to vote in the 50s-60s as much as it was to simply sit in other than the back of the bus, drink from any water fountain or eat in any restaurant of their own choosing. You hit a button many are afraid to go near. Those who want to see nefarious purposes for the requirement for ID - we have established the fact you need it for every other aspect in life - need to read what you laid out and realize the truth of the matter. Can you imagine the cr*p someone would take for putting that in a publication aimed at black readers? Mostly from the DNC....

I found this interesting
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1072053/posts

Couldn't find a more partisan and biased website than Free Republic?

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by InvaderBryce

As am I and I'm not being lazy. I've been registered since 09 since I wasn't old enough to vote in 2008.

Sorry if it was taken this way, but I wasn't talking about your personally, I was talking about black people in general.

[justtitans]

Originally Posted by Joykins

If a person comes in to vote and found out that the poll records show they have ALREADY voted, that's a good data point.

What if that person that is registered to vote, decides not to vote, but someone votes as them? Can you prove it then?

[ay jayy]

^ again, if voter fraud was the massive problem that has been alleged. Wouldn't the above happen quite often, instead of just a few cases out of hundred of millions????