Maryland a southern state (Baltimore, Frederick: stores, trees, corporate)

[Richard Martin]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

The dialect region expands as you head west, but not all of the states in contention on the east coast for the "Mid-Atlantic" label would fit.

I wouldn't include Kentucky or West Virginia simply because they're not on the Atlantic. Kentucky isn't even close.

[Diff1]

Never really understood why people sometime includes WV as the mid atlantic because its not on the coast nor does any body of water in WV lead into a bay within the state, although technically Penn is not on the coast either but the Del river runs through it and into the coast.

[drs72]

Originally Posted by Diff1

Never really understood why people sometime includes WV as the mid atlantic because its not on the coast nor does any body of water in WV lead into a bay within the state, although technically Penn is not on the coast either but the Del river runs through it and into the coast.

That's not true. Almost all of Eastern WV is in the Chesapeake Bay watershed.

[Diff1]

You are absolutly correct i just seen where there are drainage basins that go into the bay from W.V, my apologies.

[cpterp]

Originally Posted by Richard Martin

Umm...

Just how South North Carolina remains is very much in contention. They have a thread just like this one in the North Carolina forums...

//www.city-data.com/forum/north...ern-state.html

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

Ask and ye shall receive:

//www.city-data.com/forum/penns...-pa-north.html

Well that's interesting. To me it seems pretty clear which regions those states belong to, especially NC. The border states, aren't as clear cut. I would say Pennsylvania is Midwestern long before I would call it Southern. Of course it isn't geographically speaking, but the Western PA "Rust Belt" (another "unofficial region) stretches into the state from the MidWest.

As for the "Mid-Atlantic," these states are almost always included: DC, MD, DE, PA, NJ. Maryland/Delaware seems to be the quintessential Mid-Atlantic.

-Virginia (specifically Northern Virginia) is frequently included when the DC Area is involved.

-West Virginia might be thrown in since its unique "Appalachian" culture doesn't fit in with the North or South, and the Mid-Atlantic isn't precise anyway.

-New York is included because it's definitely not New England (perhaps the only undisputed region of the country), and downstate and Long Island is similar to Northern New Jersey (and vise versa).

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by cpterp

As for the "Mid-Atlantic," these states are almost always included: DC, MD, DE, PA, NJ. Maryland/Delaware seems to be the quintessential Mid-Atlantic.

Everyone I know will invariably say that Mid-Atlantic means MD, DE, VA. The Chesapeake and Delmarva is the essential Mid-Atlantic. When I mentioned PA or NJ in the Mid-Atlantic people looked at me like I was absolutely insane.
Much of the reason why is that driving from PA to MD, the difference is incredible. Rural MD, rural VA border, no difference. DC-area MD, DC-area Va border, no difference. Nobody I know in MD considers PA Mid-Atlantic and nobody I know in PA does either.

Im in MD now and I figured I would ask some folks. Everyone, when asked what region MD was in, said Mid-Atlantic without a pause. When asked what Mid-Atlantic meant, they said Delaware, Virginia, Maryland, without pausing.

From asking, this is what seems to pop into people's heads.



The South and Midwest seemed pretty solid. (Though Ohio seems to be a point of confusion for some).
The Mid-Atlantic was solidly agreed on.
New England, agreed on.
West Virginia was nearly invariably named Appalachian, and PA called a cross between "North" and Appalachian.
There was also recognition of a region that was northern but not New England, as shown in green.



Concerning MD being Southern, though:
I crossed the Mason-Dixon line yesterday. The very first thing I saw:

[Richard Martin]

Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

Concerning MD being Southern, though:
I crossed the Mason-Dixon line yesterday. The very first thing I saw:

What does Waffle House have to do with being Southern? Do you know that Waffle Houses are in 25 states now including Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan. Are they all Southern too? Waffle House is a national chain and growing bigger every year.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Richard Martin

What does Waffle House have to do with being Southern? Do you know that Waffle Houses are in 25 states now including Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan. Are they all Southern too? Waffle House is a national chain and growing bigger every year.

They're stereotypically southern. And you have to admit, they're most common in the south. In fact, earlier in one of these "Maryland Southern?" threads people were using the lack of Waffle Houses in Maryland to prove that it's not southern. Maryland is actually lacking in Waffle Houses. I think Indiana, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Missouri all have more. But due to their being stereotypically southern one being right on the southern side Mason-Dixon line was a bit funny. The northern side of the line is marked with Sheetz.

I'm not using the Waffle House as serious evidence.

[Richard Martin]

Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

The northern side of the line is marked with Sheetz.

We have 5 Sheetzes here.

[KodeBlue]

Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

Everyone I know will invariably say that Mid-Atlantic means MD, DE, VA. The Chesapeake and Delmarva is the essential Mid-Atlantic. When I mentioned PA or NJ in the Mid-Atlantic people looked at me like I was absolutely insane.
Much of the reason why is that driving from PA to MD, the difference is incredible. Rural MD, rural VA border, no difference. DC-area MD, DC-area Va border, no difference. Nobody I know in MD considers PA Mid-Atlantic and nobody I know in PA does either.

Im in MD now and I figured I would ask some folks. Everyone, when asked what region MD was in, said Mid-Atlantic without a pause. When asked what Mid-Atlantic meant, they said Delaware, Virginia, Maryland, without pausing.

From asking, this is what seems to pop into people's heads.



The South and Midwest seemed pretty solid. (Though Ohio seems to be a point of confusion for some).
The Mid-Atlantic was solidly agreed on.
New England, agreed on.
West Virginia was nearly invariably named Appalachian, and PA called a cross between "North" and Appalachian.
There was also recognition of a region that was northern but not New England, as shown in green.



Concerning MD being Southern, though:
I crossed the Mason-Dixon line yesterday. The very first thing I saw:

The last Waffle House I've been to was in Lancaster, PA.