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Old 11-10-2011, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, Maryland
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You're avoiding the issue, instead of cutting spending, they are just adding an other tax to handle mismanaged funds. However much you want to debate the legitimacy of this is fine, but Pepsi Plant closed down last year and claimed it was from the tax. Is the 4mill in extra revenue gained, really worth losing such an important employer, pissing off your citizens, and vendors. I'd say no, trust me as a business owner myself, this City and State are doing everything in their power to make many of us have to consider closing up.

If you put a crappy student population in a brand new building, it is not going to make a world of difference. Severna Park High School is a run down old building, yet one of the highest performing schools in the state. If they insist on spending more money, spend it on more guidance counselors, better teachers and better coaches... a shiny new building will cost us millions, only benefit a few, and not make a difference. You should take a look at Wise HS in PG, the shiniest, overboard waste of money I've ever seen.... and guess what, the school population still underachieves badly!
The city's been cutting spending for four straight years! There's only so much you can cut...especially considering their ballooning pension expenses becasue the baby boomers are retiring.

And yes, AJ is right, the Tea Party is eating the GOP from the inside out. The Dems really don't even need to do anything but point people into the direction of these people. Between Herman Cain, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, and Rick Perry its surprising that anyone takes the Republican Party seriously (On the national level). The Tea Party may be winning some elections now...but once people feel the cuts to police, fire, teachers, infrastructure how long will they last? They're digging they're own grave and taking the rest of the country with them in the process.

People see a nickle increase on their pepsi bottles and freak out like its gonna break the bank. Get the hell out of here. The money will go for schools that desperatlely need renovation and in the process hire some people in the construction industry...nothing evil about that.
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Old 11-10-2011, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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They added just enough Democrats to make it impossible for Morella to win but in the 90s she had the most Democratic district in America held by a Republican, it was still overwhelmingly Democratic.

Also Michael Castle was perfectly trusted, he was a 2 term governor and had represented Delaware in the House almost 20 years. The Tea Partiers just had one of their little hissy fits that Michael Castle was some evil liberal and O'Donnell's idiotic innuendo that he was gay actually worked and got her the nod.

I know lots of Tea Party candidates across America won elections, they win conservative leaning areas and often aren't much different than the politician who preceded him or her. They did well in 2010 because of very low Democratic turnout but I think it's ultimately conservatism's last gasp in America. The Tea Partiers go too far and there are very few young moderate Republicans who will get past primaries. It's going to cost the GOP dearly in the long run. Maryland, the Northeast and West Coast are the areas where the Republican party is generally done. Many more marginal areas will follow as demographics change and older voters die off.
That's funny because many were saying after the 2004 elections that the Democrats were dead as a national party, that they would only continue to exist in isolated geographic and urban pockets of the US. Then come 2006 and 2008 and they are back in power.

The US political system is set up to be a two party system. One will always be on the left, one will always be on the right. They will spar, power will wax and wane between them, but none have died since the Whigs in the late 1850s. Neither party is going anywhere.
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Old 11-10-2011, 04:05 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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The US political system is set up to be a two party system.
But with the exception of the few hot button social issues...
there really isn't much difference between the parties.

On the issues that really matter, that governance should be concerned with...
The fiscally conservative and socially liberal viewpoint is a rather solid super-majority.

At most, the differences that do exist are of the "how" sort... not the "what".
eg: HOW do we dig ourselves out from under the rigged medical care payment system
that fewer and fewer of us are limited to (vs medicare, VA, etc that kids, seniors, vets, qualify under)...
not whether we need to completely recast how that entire industry operates.

Last gasp efforts to make laws about the nature of biology...
or generally interfere in the doctor patient relationship...
well, they just aren't helpful to anyone.

hth
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Old 11-10-2011, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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But with the exception of the few hot button social issues...
there really isn't much difference between the parties.

On the issues that really matter, that governance should be concerned with...
The fiscally conservative and socially liberal viewpoint is a rather solid super-majority.

At most, the differences that do exist are of the "how" sort... not the "what".
eg: HOW do we dig ourselves out from under the rigged medical care payment system
that fewer and fewer of us are limited to (vs medicare, VA, etc that kids, seniors, vets, qualify under)...
not whether we need to completely recast how that entire industry operates.

Last gasp efforts to make laws about the nature of biology...
or generally interfere in the doctor patient relationship...
well, they just aren't helpful to anyone.

hth
Hence the problem with the two party system. Neither party can become too extreme in its idealogy or it loses the middle, and thus the elections in our "winner take all system." Contrast this with a parliamentary system where a political party can win 10% of the national vote, but a majority nowhere, and still get 10% of the seats in Parliament. You have all sorts of crazy minor parties in this system because they can espouse more extreme positions and still retain seats in places of power. Not so in American.

We get to pick the lesser of two evils. The best results I ever see are from places that have power split between the two parties. Neither party can do what it wants, so either nothing happens, or compromise must be reached.

We get none of this in Maryland. We have the Dem supermajority and a set of laws, regulations, and bureaucracy that reflects an extreme Leftist position. It ia horrible example of what happens when there is no counter balance from the other party.

Many posters have put it plainly, they don't like the extreme left, but would rather choose to keep them in power than vote for someone on the right. It is easy to decry the need for a "moderate Republican." How about team blue nominate a "moderate Democrat" for a change? Better yet, how about our state leaders go to the "open primary" model where any registered voter can pick which primary to vote in regardless of their personal party affililation. In this system cross over votes make the nomination of a palatable moderate candidate far more likely.

Of course there is ZERO chance you will ever see this in Maryland, as it would break the stranglehold the far-Leftists have on state government.
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Old 11-10-2011, 04:55 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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Many posters have put it plainly, they don't like the extreme left,
but would rather choose to keep them in power than vote for someone on the right.
Let me join them then in plain statement:
The problem with the right is that the issues which they generally cling to as to differentiate themselves
from the rest of us (the other 65-80% of Americans)... are issues which have no business even being
on the agenda for governance in a free republic.

If you want to live under a form of Sharia law... go where it exists.
Please don't try to create it here.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Portland, Maine
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Anyone who thinks a democrat is different than a republican is drinking their Kool-Aid. They're all the same. Each stands for little if anything significant. Both are afraid to stand up for what's right. They get together at parties and laugh about how little they are different. Yet, they both have legions of followers who support them. O'Malley bad? When did the taxes go down with Erlich? Oh yeah, the congress stopped him. Please. It's all cocktail chatter. I'm really tired of both parties. Neither is doing anything to better this country. And moreso, I'm tired of their constituents who rely solely on government for solutions.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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Let me join them then in plain statement:
The problem with the right is that the issues which they generally cling to as to differentiate themselves
from the rest of us (the other 65-80% of Americans)... are issues which have no business even being
on the agenda for governance in a free republic.

If you want to live under a form of Sharia law... go where it exists.
Please don't try to create it here.
What makes that different than the Dems? What issues do they "cling" to in order to appease their base?

Are Affirmative Action

32% Favor Affirmative Action, 46% Oppose It - Rasmussen Reports™

Gay Marriage,

Civil Rights

and

Socialized medicine

49% Oppose Single-Payer Health Care System - Rasmussen Reports™

issues that 65%-80% of the population agrees with? Sure doesn't look like it. I offer the same question back to you. Why should government in a free republic stick their noses in any of these issues either? If you want to live in a Leftist Country with socialist offerings.....go where it exists, please don't try to create it here

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Old 11-10-2011, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, MD
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Hence the problem with the two party system. Neither party can become too extreme in its idealogy or it loses the middle, and thus the elections in our "winner take all system." Contrast this with a parliamentary system where a political party can win 10% of the national vote, but a majority nowhere, and still get 10% of the seats in Parliament. You have all sorts of crazy minor parties in this system because they can espouse more extreme positions and still retain seats in places of power. Not so in American.

We get to pick the lesser of two evils. The best results I ever see are from places that have power split between the two parties. Neither party can do what it wants, so either nothing happens, or compromise must be reached.

We get none of this in Maryland. We have the Dem supermajority and a set of laws, regulations, and bureaucracy that reflects an extreme Leftist position. It ia horrible example of what happens when there is no counter balance from the other party.

Many posters have put it plainly, they don't like the extreme left, but would rather choose to keep them in power than vote for someone on the right. It is easy to decry the need for a "moderate Republican." How about team blue nominate a "moderate Democrat" for a change? Better yet, how about our state leaders go to the "open primary" model where any registered voter can pick which primary to vote in regardless of their personal party affililation. In this system cross over votes make the nomination of a palatable moderate candidate far more likely.

Of course there is ZERO chance you will ever see this in Maryland, as it would break the stranglehold the far-Leftists have on state government.
That's ridiculous as there are many moderate and conservative Democrats. Look at Ben Nelson, Phil Bredesen, Mike Beebe, John Tester, Steve Beshear and countless others. All throughout conservative areas there are moderate Democrats. I can name 3 moderate Republicans on the scene now: Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins.

People vote for the bad Democrats because they know the alternative is far worse. If it were a sensible reform Republican, they would get loads of votes. Scary tea party weirdos frighten Marylanders into voting for the same ol same ol.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, MD
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What makes that different than the Dems? What issues do they "cling" to in order to appease their base?

Are Affirmative Action

32% Favor Affirmative Action, 46% Oppose It - Rasmussen Reports™

Gay Marriage,

Civil Rights

and

Socialized medicine

49% Oppose Single-Payer Health Care System - Rasmussen Reports™

issues that 65%-80% of the population agrees with? Sure doesn't look like it. I offer the same question back to you. Why should government in a free republic stick their noses in any of these issues either? If you want to live in a Leftist Country with socialist offerings.....go where it exists, please don't try to create it here
So I am to imagine you will suddenly become a homosexual because gay marriage is legal? If you were so secure in yourself, the mere idea of something you oppose becoming legal would not upset you so much. You claim to want a free republic but want everyone in it to go your way or else, what people really want is irrelevant to you.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:53 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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...issues that 65%-80% of the population agrees with?
...Sure doesn't look like it.
Sure looks like it to me.
Each of those examples are reflective of societies that are progressing upward from the Dark Ages.

And it's not just in how the Q is phrased.
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