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Old 01-26-2012, 04:29 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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The principals have to pay for that maintenance too. Perhaps the principal and maintenance staff at Roosevelt value the quality of their physical plant as opposed to it becoming a roach and rat infested dump.

Explain why the new schools already are filthy and coming apart at the seams and a 35 year old school looks better.

Actually no. The day to day janitorial, yes. But not capital maintenance or repair, that comes out of all district funding and is not, or ever has been, a part of SBB. If you're being told that you're being lied to.

You and I both know the answer to your second statement.
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:22 AM
 
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Actually no. The day to day janitorial, yes. But not capital maintenance or repair, that comes out of all district funding and is not, or ever has been, a part of SBB. If you're being told that you're being lied to.
That's simply not true.

That school had to spend $50k out of the school's own money to have the front parking lot surfaced about 8 years ago.

Perhaps you're the one that's being lied to.
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:34 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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That's simply not true.

That school had to spend $50k out of the school's own money to have the front parking lot surfaced about 8 years ago.

Perhaps you're the one that's being lied to.
If it was outside the scheduled time frame for paving then they had to pay for it and a re-paving could not be justified from capital funds. If it was in such poor condition to need re-paving and the school funds paid for it then the Principal dropped the ball.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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I am not going to argue with statistics or the numbers, but I am curious to know how and what was ranked? When I read the article it seemed to have only been comparing 4th grade & 8th grade?

Also, we lived in MD, several years in Frederick and 3 years on the Eastern Shore, in Caroline County.
Our oldest went to Kindergarten & 1st grade there. When she was tested there or assessed , as they do not admi inter state tests at those grades, she was always "average" , " reading at level" , no concerns.
Then we relocated to PA in 2nd grade and she was assessed and was found to be reading below PA standards. Her teacher asked for examples of work that she had completed and she also reviewed anything that was given to the school by our daughter's previous school there in MD. ALL of her work, the reading program,etc.., was found to be BELOW grade level standards in PA.
SO, she entered 2nd grade doing below grade level work for PA, but at level for MD?

Now our youngest has started school here and there is a definite difference in the level of work she did in Kindergarten and is currently doing in 1st compared to what our oldest did in those grades in MD?
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:50 PM
 
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If it was outside the scheduled time frame for paving then they had to pay for it and a re-paving could not be justified from capital funds. If it was in such poor condition to need re-paving and the school funds paid for it then the Principal dropped the ball.
Nice backpedal
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:49 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Nice backpedal

Not a back pedal at all, just telling you how the system works. Strangely enough a similar question, for a different capital expense, came up a couple weeks ago at a SBMT meeting. The answer I put here was the answer we received. It also went back before this new version of SBB in relation to a roofing project (which had been leaking for 18 years).
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Old 01-26-2012, 03:22 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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I am not going to argue with statistics or the numbers, but I am curious to know how and what was ranked? When I read the article it seemed to have only been comparing 4th grade & 8th grade?

Also, we lived in MD, several years in Frederick and 3 years on the Eastern Shore, in Caroline County.
Our oldest went to Kindergarten & 1st grade there. When she was tested there or assessed , as they do not admi inter state tests at those grades, she was always "average" , " reading at level" , no concerns.
Then we relocated to PA in 2nd grade and she was assessed and was found to be reading below PA standards. Her teacher asked for examples of work that she had completed and she also reviewed anything that was given to the school by our daughter's previous school there in MD. ALL of her work, the reading program,etc.., was found to be BELOW grade level standards in PA.
SO, she entered 2nd grade doing below grade level work for PA, but at level for MD?

Now our youngest has started school here and there is a definite difference in the level of work she did in Kindergarten and is currently doing in 1st compared to what our oldest did in those grades in MD?

You are correct. MD's public education system up through college is not up to the level of PA, in general terms.
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Old 01-27-2012, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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You are correct. MD's public education system up through college is not up to the level of PA, in general terms.
So my next question would be; is it better to be ranked #1 with less expectations and a lower standard of Learning in comparison with other states, or is it better to be ranked 100 with higher expectations and a higher quality of Learning?
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Old 01-27-2012, 02:42 PM
 
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My sister had a similar experience to NYMD67. Her kid was average in NJ above avg. in MD, she started supplementing her childs education because of the difference.

I moved around as a kid so I'm concerned that if we move my kids may be behind so I try to pay attention to state differences and to supplement. I found the below site and thought it was interesting however, I have not read the source information and looked at other school systems that I'm familiar with but thought people might find it interesting.

School District Ranking | Education Rankings by State | Education Statistics | Compare School Districts
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Old 01-29-2012, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Hyattsville, MD
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You and I have been told different numbers. With no insult intenede I'll go with what I'm told by the school's officials.

It's not a matter of "dragging down" ER but more a matter of stopping comparing apples and bananas. Which was a conversation I had not 3 hours ago in relation to AP scores and participation. That's systemic and try as hard as is done the elephant in the room is that the comprehensive schools will never have the scores or participation that a dedicated magnet, no matter what it is, will have.


I went on a site visit last year to a dedicated performing arts magnet in Baltimore County. When I returned I was asked how we can get our theater program to the level of that school. We can't. Not unless we audition every kid, dedicate resources to a program, upgrade and offer ancillary courses, etc. The same with ER, Flowers and OH (which are the top 3 SAT/AP scores in PG). Apples and bananas.
Actually, Bowie High ranks 2nd in the county on the SATs.

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If it's the apples and bananas as you claim because Roosevelt allegedly has it all, how do you explain that the special ed students at Roosevelt outscore the comprehensive schools on the HSAs? That's certainly not the Science and Tech program now, is it?

Perhaps the teachers there just work a little harder with what they have.

And yes, PG County has done everything they can to lessen Roosevelt's quality, whether it be through adjusting boundaries to lower the population by 600 students over the last 6-8 years or refusing to put any money into the physical plant while other schools like Northwestern, Fairmount Heights, DuVal and Bladensburg get floor to ceiling renovations.
And you are of course aware that all of those schools pre-dated Roosevelt by at least 20 years?

In regards to lessening Roosevelt's enrolment, the school has a capacity of around 2,200 students. A few years ago, Roosevelt's enrollment peaked at 3,200. I think it's fairly self-explanatory as to why reucing enrollment, was a priority.

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And now we bash the teachers.

You do realize ER didn't make AYP last year? Of course it was appealed, like happens with everything, and it still didn't make it.


You know as well as I do that the boundary adjustment was done to lessen overcrowding, not to "lessen ER quality". An adjustment that ER parents had been demanding for years.

The schools you mentioned were all older, by 1 or 2 generations, than ER and were falling down. A couple were in danger of being condemned, not least because of asbestos and lead. Bladensburg's cafeteria was closed by the Health Department due to insurmountable rodent and roach infestations.

You also know that ER was PG's newest high school until Flowers and Wise were built. What you may not know is which school gets the fastest maintenance service (after Sasscer is taken care of). Hint: the initials are E and R.

Why are we arguing by the way? You're obviously an ER booster while I obviously am the one who says "Whoa. If we make comparisons let's compare the same thing".
Totally agree, with one minor correction. Flowers and Northwestern were actually the newer high schools in PGC, since Roosevelt was built.
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